MistbornAlpaca Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 Okay, how do are Mistborn influenced by power lines? I would imagine on the larger, full metal powerlines it would act like the spike-ways from era 1, except better, because they're everywhere! But could you potentially fly based on the powerlines? Pushing continuously on the middle wire, while using the side wires to balance and control your direction. What do you think? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yezrien Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 Could a power line support a person's weight without snapping? Lamp posts and manhole covers might be safer. If I was an urban planner on Scadrial, I'd just install the spikes in the ground at regular intervals. That way coinshots won't be tempted to litter, or cause random property damage. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irregular Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 33 minutes ago, Belzedar said: Could a power line support a person's weight without snapping? Lamp posts and manhole covers might be safer. If I was an urban planner on Scadrial, I'd just install the spikes in the ground at regular intervals. That way coinshots won't be tempted to litter, or cause random property damage. Or you know, ban steelpushing in cities. Coinshots are very small minority in society anyway and it's not like they can't move around like everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yezrien Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 22 minutes ago, Irregular said: Or you know, ban steelpushing in cities. Coinshots are very small minority in society anyway and it's not like they can't move around like everyone else. Where would be the fun in that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notsawerd Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 In the past I have designed power lines. In the US there is the National Electric Safety Code(NESC) which dictates minimum design criteria. One of those criteria is designing the line to withstand a certain amount of loading from ice and wind. Pushing on the lines would also be a type of point loading and could be taken into consideration when designing the line. So the NESC equivalent of Scadrial would likely develop overtime and have some safety factors for coinshots in addition to the ones we have here in the US. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Hoodie Mistborn Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 1 hour ago, notsawerd said: In the past I have designed power lines. In the US there is the National Electric Safety Code(NESC) which dictates minimum design criteria. One of those criteria is designing the line to withstand a certain amount of loading from ice and wind. Pushing on the lines would also be a type of point loading and could be taken into consideration when designing the line. So the NESC equivalent of Scadrial would likely develop overtime and have some safety factors for coinshots in addition to the ones we have here in the US. So do power line tolerances for ice hang allow for human weight? Wax still shouldn't have an issue so long as he remembers to dump weight into his metalminds, but yeah... he's the exception there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 9 minutes ago, Green Hoodie Mistborn said: So do power line tolerances for ice hang allow for human weight? Wax still shouldn't have an issue so long as he remembers to dump weight into his metalminds, but yeah... he's the exception there. Ice is not light. If power lines withstand breaking when an entire span is coated and has icicles hanging 6+ inches, I'd imagine Wax would need to tap in order to significantly damage lines of modern design. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notsawerd Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) Ice is very heavy, but my point wasn't US lines could withstand a coinshot or mistborn's weight being pressed on it. My point is that it could be one design criteria that Scadrial engineers would consider when building a line. While there is a risk of the wire breaking due to ice loading that is typically only on smaller lines made out of brittle conductor. The bigger issue is conductor sag which causes the clearances to drop which leads to flashovers faults. Those can be very dangerous which is why utilities have protective devices on lines to deenergize them when it happens. Edited October 26, 2017 by notsawerd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahak Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 21 hours ago, MasterJack said: Okay, how do are Mistborn influenced by power lines? I would imagine on the larger, full metal powerlines it would act like the spike-ways from era 1, except better, because they're everywhere! But could you potentially fly based on the powerlines? Pushing continuously on the middle wire, while using the side wires to balance and control your direction. What do you think? I rather suspect Sazed had underground ducts for power and phone lines included in Elendel's civic planning. Possibly colocated with the water supply. We don't see any overhead powerlines in any of Wax's urban flight scenes (or any of the other descriptions) despite several of them occuring in areas with electric power. Likewise if they have telegraph they appear to bury the cables along side the tracks rather than put them on poles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MistbornAlpaca Posted October 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, Dahak said: I rather suspect Sazed had underground ducts for power and phone lines included in Elendel's civic planning. Possibly colocated with the water supply. We don't see any overhead powerlines in any of Wax's urban flight scenes (or any of the other descriptions) despite several of them occuring in areas with electric power. Likewise if they have telegraph they appear to bury the cables along side the tracks rather than put them on poles. Interesting, but I like it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 12 minutes ago, Dahak said: Likewise if they have telegraph they appear to bury the cables along side the tracks rather than put them on poles. They don't yet have telegraphs. Quote Questioner (paraphrased) People are going crazy wondering if there are telegraphs and telephones in Alloy of Law. Are there? And if not, why? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) There are not yet. And the reason why is because they haven’t needed them yet. Necessity is the, what the fuel of invention? Audience Member (paraphrased) The mother of invention Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Yes, the mother of invention, and they have messengers who run, Coinshots who are very fast. They also basically don’t need to go outside the City, and haven’t for a long time. They’re close, but they haven’t invented them yet for the same reason that they have very poor navigation techniques. Why do you need to ship anything or sail anywhere when you have some idyllic paradise to live in? And you have allomancers, who in some ways are preventing from achieving that next level, because a Coinshot can get it there really fast, and so you’re only waiting a few minutes for them to come back with your message, so it can actually stifle a little bit of technology by having a not-quite-as-good magical solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knghtstlker Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 I believe Sazed specifically says they should have already had Radio's. But the fact that the Paradise that Sazed has created has limited their need for invention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ataraxian Wist Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 Just don't stop pushing, or you will be electrocuted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickbronze Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 (edited) In BoM, a banker in New Seran sent a message to Elendel to confirm Marasi and Wayne's identities. I believe the book said it was a telegraph(Wayne said something along the lines of "those things cost 3 clips a letter!"), but whether I'm right or not, they have some form of instantaneous communication Edit: I checked, a telegram was used. Chapter eleven if you want to read it yourselves. Edited November 11, 2017 by Crimson Not Blood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted November 12, 2017 Report Share Posted November 12, 2017 On 11/10/2017 at 1:02 PM, Crimson Not Blood said: In BoM, a banker in New Seran sent a message to Elendel to confirm Marasi and Wayne's identities. I believe the book said it was a telegraph(Wayne said something along the lines of "those things cost 3 clips a letter!"), but whether I'm right or not, they have some form of instantaneous communication Edit: I checked, a telegram was used. Chapter eleven if you want to read it yourselves. You're correct. Apparently Brandon changed his mind between that WoB (Dec 11th, 2011), and BoM (Jan 26th, 2016). I'd totally forgotten about that exchange in the bank. Good catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickbronze Posted November 12, 2017 Report Share Posted November 12, 2017 I reread BoM a week or so ago, which probably accounts for it XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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