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3 minutes ago, CancerPuppy said:

Ok, is no one going to question whether or not that woman is even a Dustbringer? She didn't really do much but summon a blade, right? I want to know more now!

And what would she be otherwise? Suggesting she has an Honorblade requires for more explanation than her having a spren, and a dead blade won't open the gate. 

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I wonder how annoyed Shallan's brothers are going to be when they arrive at Urithiru via the Narak oathgate, having traveled halfway across Roshar for weeks, through the weeping, everstorms, and highstorms, only to drive to find the Vedenar oathgate open? :D

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4 minutes ago, Calderis said:

And what would she be otherwise? Suggesting she has an Honorblade requires for more explanation than her having a spren, and a dead blade won't open the gate. 

  I suppose it seemed too convenient to me. Guess I'm just concerned about Taravangian's motives. 

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6 minutes ago, Starla said:

I wonder how annoyed Shallan's brothers are going to be when they arrive at Urithiru via the Narak oathgate, having traveled halfway across Roshar for weeks, through the weeping, everstorms, and highstorms, only to drive to find the Vedenar oathgate open? :D

Well, the Vedenar Oathgate isn't currently open for general use, so it might well not be viable for them for now anyway.

Personally... I'm expecting them to take a route that would probably go through (or near) Kholinar. I've wondered if Kaladin might just bump into them. He managed to bump into Shallan in the middle of nowhere after all...

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1 minute ago, kari-no-sugata said:

Well, the Vedenar Oathgate isn't currently open for general use, so it might well not be viable for them for now anyway.

Personally... I'm expecting them to take a route that would probably go through (or near) Kholinar. I've wondered if Kaladin might just bump into them. He managed to bump into Shallan in the middle of nowhere after all...

Kaladins around northern Alethkar near Kholinar, the Davars would just cut through southern Alethkar to get to the Shattered Plains.

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8 minutes ago, kari-no-sugata said:

Well, the Vedenar Oathgate isn't currently open for general use, so it might well not be viable for them for now anyway.

Personally... I'm expecting them to take a route that would probably go through (or near) Kholinar. I've wondered if Kaladin might just bump into them. He managed to bump into Shallan in the middle of nowhere after all...

I bet Taravangian would let Shallan bring them through if she asked. Or does she need to ask? She can go through any oathgate any time she wants.

The bros have been traveling for a few weeks, so I imagine they've reached the shattered plains by now unless they ran into problems along the way, like the mysterious caravans that went missing in Alethkar.  I'm curious if they're traveling on their own or with Ghostblood escorts. I'm guessing the Ghostbloods would want to keep an eye on them they may have guards. 

Either way, I'm looking forward to their reunion with Shallan, and seeing their reaction to her new status.

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34 minutes ago, ScavellTane said:

Kaladins around northern Alethkar near Kholinar, the Davars would just cut through southern Alethkar to get to the Shattered Plains.

It's rather hard to tell where exactly the estates are. When Shallan tried to send a letter to her brothers in WoR, she sent the main one through Valath (which is to the west of the Horneater peaks and about half-way up the country) and another from Northgrip which is in the far north. So I would guess that the estates are more towards the north of the country, and probably at least west of the Horneater peaks. If so, I think they would travel through the north-ish part of Alethkar and going through Kholinar would be a reasonable route to take. In addition, with the civil war going on, they would want to avoid the south of the country unless they were certain that the fighting was over when they set out.

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I guess that would depend when the Ghostbloods took them. Ghostbloods probably took them when the war was still active and they were probably sent to 'safety' but not necessarily towards the Shattered Plains. Mraize discovered Veil's identity during the march towards Narak and the order to move Shallan's brothers would have been sent after their confrontation in Urithiru.

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5 hours ago, scifan said:

Wait... Shardblades are "dead" spren. If Nightblood's exactly the same thing as a shard blade, then by definition, he's a spren. 

But he's not "dead"... so I'm so confused... 

Nightblood's an artificial Shardblade, a "robot spren."

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17 hours ago, Agent34 said:

Nightblood's an artificial Shardblade, a "robot spren."

Also, there are a handful of Shardblades that aren't dead.  Syl, Pattern, Wyndle, Glys, Ivory, etc. and bound to be plenty more arriving in future books.

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4 minutes ago, The Invested Beard said:

I really don't think it's an honorblade. They would have somehow had to get it away from the Shin, which doesn't seem likely.

I agree with you. I was just trying to make the point, in a roundabout fashion, that not all Shardblades are spren, and thus the issue regarding whether Shardblades can be living spren as well as dead spren (which they obviously can be), is rather redundant.

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This was a really random and completely baseless thought I had while reading the chapters, and the two lines dedicated to Malata.

But for some reason I got the impression that Shallan may be as understimated as a Radiant as she has been her whole life. Yes she was one of the first, and saved many lives, but it was still a feeling. Maybe because anyone looking at Shallan would never dream of the things she has done at her tender age. Specially considering she projects a naive and very innocent facade. 

When I finished WoR I thought she might shed that image around Radiants, but after reading the sample chapters of OB...I'm more of the impression that she will continue embracing her naivety to continue making her illusions. 

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The weekly highstorm is approaching...

Bit hard to guess what we might get this time. There's surely one more Dalinar flashback coming soon - it might come up in the next 3 but maybe it'll make more sense for it to come out closer to the end? Hard to say. There's 8 chapters left to go and I think we'll only get 1 more Kaladin chapter - it feels like his storyline is going to go quiet for a while.

The last chapter didn't exactly end on a cliffhanger and it doesn't feel like the next chapter will follow on directly. I think we'll see either the end of the conference or a retrospective of it set later in the day. Will Shallan get involved at all during or after the conference since she's from Jah Keved? Would seem unlikely that she's completely absent but maybe it's not significant enough to get a real time perspective? Given that Dalinar's chapter ended with a lot of introspection about his role, I've also wondered if he might ask Shallan what her real and honest perspective of the Alethi is (rather than other people), but perhaps not since it seems he realises that they're seen as aggressive conquerors. Will we see any progress on the murder investigations? Will Amaram himself show up?

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