thejopen27

Dawnsingers = Listeners

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So I was thinking about the Dawnsingers and I realized what they must have been; The Listeners before the arrival of Odium. When (the majority of) humans fled Ashyn after it was scorched and became refugees on Roshar (the origin of the Vorin myth about being driven out of the Tranquiline halls) the Listeners were already there as well as Honor and Cultivation. Odium was not yet on Roshar. When humans were struggling and scraping to survive in this new storm-blasted lands the Listeners would have helped them. Odium must have arrived and either struct a bargain with or corrupted the listeners to make them the Voidbringers. The Dawnchant was probably their language (maybe still their language) and the Dawncities may have been the cities they inhabited that the humans were welcomed into. 

 

At the dawn of humanity on Roshar, the people who sang were helpful to humans; the Dawnsingers.

 

I couldn't find a thread on this, sorry if it's already widely known. 

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Hey! 

I always love a dawnsinger theory but its really late so I'll comment more tomorrow.

Just wanted to mention a couple of things:

1. Humans first arrived before H & C did, not after.

2. As far as I am aware, we dont know if the Roshar humans came from Ashyn. It is a popular theory but there are other possibilities that are equally likely.

Neither of these means your theory cant be correct, I find it just helps to keep the details straight.

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While I personally think there's more to the Dawnsingers then this, it's well thought out so I did some searching. 

Someone had the very thought you did and asked Brandon, to a predictable RAFO

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Thadamin

Do shards need to be based on the same planet to create the interactions that made Feruchemy possible?

If the Parshendi are not originally from odium and are referred to as the ancient ones by spren then would that make the original Parshendi bonded to the Splinters that existed before Honor and Cultivation arrived the Dawnsingers?

Brandon Sanderson

RAFO.

 

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Just to be clear, I'm not saying it's definitive. I was just putting together some connected ideas. It just seems like the Listeners sing. They were there at the dawn of humanity on Roshar, and if humanity saw them, they might remember them as Dawnsingers and their chant like speach might be remembered as the Dawnchant.

I didn't know that humanity on Roshar predated Honor and Cultivation. Is this from a WoB?

I believe humanity on Roshar are refugess from Ashyn, maybe I'll be wrong, but that's what I believe. They came and brought birds, sheep/goats, horses, minks, rats, and turtles with them (those are all the non-crustacean based animals on Roshar I could remember) but apparently not dogs or cats, but they remembered the name hound and what it was, and someone remembered lions to paint one in Urithiru.

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1 hour ago, thejopen27 said:

I didn't know that humanity on Roshar predated Honor and Cultivation. Is this from a WoB?

I believe humanity on Roshar are refugess from Ashyn, maybe I'll be wrong, but that's what I believe. They came and brought birds, sheep/goats, horses, minks, rats, and turtles with them (those are all the non-crustacean based animals on Roshar I could remember) but apparently not dogs or cats, but they remembered the name hound and what it was, and someone remembered lions to paint one in Urithiru.

Here's one of the WoB's that tells us that humans and listeners both predate the shattering.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormlight_Archive/comments/3suo4l/oathbringer_i_think_flashback_dalinar_is_based/cx1nfdk

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There was intermixing long ago. Horneaters and Herdazians are both a result. (Signs of this are the stone carapace on Herdazian fingernails and the Horneater extra jaw pieces--in the back of the mouth--for breaking shells.)
Humans and parshmen don't have a common ancestor. And as a side note, both of these strains of humanoids predate the ascension of Honor, Cultivation, and Odium.

They also have pigs on Roshar :P

I really like this theory though, it's one of those that makes you go "How didn't I think of that?"

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5 hours ago, Cowmanthethird said:

They also have pigs on Roshar :P

And if they have pigs... that means they have BACON!!!! HOORAY

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8 hours ago, Cowmanthethird said:

Here's one of the WoB's that tells us that humans and listeners both predate the shattering.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormlight_Archive/comments/3suo4l/oathbringer_i_think_flashback_dalinar_is_based/cx1nfdk

They also have pigs on Roshar :P

I really like this theory though, it's one of those that makes you go "How didn't I think of that?"

I can't believe I forgot pigs! I knew pigs. The hardest one to catch was goats, Lyft describes a goat in Edgedancer but never names it. 

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5 hours ago, Steeldancer said:

And if they have pigs... that means they have BACON!!!! HOORAY

Now we know why Hoid is there. It was for the bacon all along.

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I really like this theory and I hope we don't have to wait too long to read and find out. I also hope that the fire spren don't curse all the bacon to be burned.

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8 hours ago, Shadowfax said:

Now we know why Hoid is there. It was for the bacon all along.

Oddly enough, there are pigs on Roshar, on Threnody, on Sel, and on Yolen, but not one mention of bacon anywhere that I can remember, other than that WoB about Hoid loving bacon.

There is a theory to be had here somewhere.

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The knowledge of creating bacon was lost with the shattering

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It's essentially the Pilgrims and the Indians on Thanksgiving, only to fight wars later on with their ancestors. + Magic and different species. The humans even took all their land and enslaved them. 

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On ‎10‎/‎23‎/‎2017 at 2:50 AM, thejopen27 said:

It's essentially the Pilgrims and the Indians on Thanksgiving, only to fight wars later on with their ancestors. + Magic and different species. The humans even took all their land and enslaved them. 

This is a persuasive idea. So much of the Cosmere finds reflections in the author's Mormon faith. This definitely fits. See this:

http://www.onlinenevada.org/articles/mormons-and-native-americans-historical-overview

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