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Different types of Aviar

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Also remember that the aviar all go to the same island in their life, the one Dusk is on. (I don’t remember the name) The hunters are also able to choose from a couple islands and from what I understand, not many choose to hunt on Dusk’s island because it is one of the most deadly. This information might be off a bit as I haven’t read Sixth of the Dusk in a while, but I’m excited for the sequel!

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On 8/13/2019 at 4:00 PM, Ghanderflaffle said:

Also remember that the aviar all go to the same island in their life, the one Dusk is on. (I don’t remember the name) The hunters are also able to choose from a couple islands and from what I understand, not many choose to hunt on Dusk’s island because it is one of the most deadly. This information might be off a bit as I haven’t read Sixth of the Dusk in a while, but I’m excited for the sequel!

It's called Patji.

The the trappers don't all need to be on Patji because the Aviars choose to migrate there by instinct. Then, presumably, they fly back to one of the other islands in the pantheon. 

As for other types of Aviars, since their is one type that basically creates copperclouds, It would make sense of there is one that mimics the abilities of a seeker, so they could sense Investiture usage.

Now that I think of it, the device Vathi was using might have been a synthetic seeker device. More evidence for the ones above being Scadrian. But if they can already recreate allomancy, why do they need the Aviars? 

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On 7/2/2020 at 6:31 AM, Kings_way said:

But if they can already recreate allomancy, why do they need the Aviars? 

Maybe they don’t. Now this is a random theory that just popped into my head, and I haven’t read 6th of the dusk in a long while, but I’m gonna see if I can make this make sense. 

What if the Scadrians (assuming the Ones Above are Scadrians) aren’t interested in the Aviar, what if they created them? The 2 types of Aviar we see both seem to be related to Allomancy. Copperclouds and Atium shadows. Maybe there are 14 other Aviar species that each kinda correlate to Allomantic powers. The Aviar and the symbiotic worms  could be some sort of experiment in creating synthetic biological Allomancy. 

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19 hours ago, Danex said:

Maybe they don’t. Now this is a random theory that just popped into my head, and I haven’t read 6th of the dusk in a long while, but I’m gonna see if I can make this make sense. 

What if the Scadrians (assuming the Ones Above are Scadrians) aren’t interested in the Aviar, what if they created them? The 2 types of Aviar we see both seem to be related to Allomancy. Copperclouds and Atium shadows. Maybe there are 14 other Aviar species that each kinda correlate to Allomantic powers. The Aviar and the symbiotic worms  could be some sort of experiment in creating synthetic biological Allomancy. 

Neither the plot nor how Brandon talks about the Aviars give me that impression

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I don't know how the word "accursed" got there
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2 hours ago, R J said:

Neither the plot nor how Brandon talks about Accursed Aviars give me that impression

¯\_()_/¯  it’s just a theory
I do like the idea of organic synthetic Allomancy though

 

Edit to avoid double posting because ima good forum boi: 

I found this WOB that at least proves I was thinking on the right lines.

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Questioner

Sak, Dusk's non-native Aviar. That ability is very, very similar to Allomantic electrum.

Brandon Sanderson

It is!

Questioner

And his other Aviar is very, very similar to Allomantic copper.

Brandon Sanderson

It is.

Questioner

Is there a connection between those two, deeper? Or is it--

Brandon Sanderson

will RAFO that. Let's just say it is an intentional reference, but I'm not going to say whether it's a direct connection to Scadrial magic systems or more that fundamental rules of magics can reproduce one another. We have seen multiple instances of Lightweaving, so-- It's one of those two... That at least narrows it down for you.

Arcanum Unbounded Chicago signing (Dec. 6, 2016)

“Intentional Reference”. I did jump right to the idea of atium instead of electrum, I dunno why, electrum makes a heck of a lot more sense. I love it when you find a WOB that exactly relates to what you were thinking, it’s fun to know that other people have made the same connections independently of each other. 

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14 hours ago, Danex said:

What if the Scadrians (assuming the Ones Above are Scadrians) aren’t interested in the Aviar, what if they created them? The 2 types of Aviar we see both seem to be related to Allomancy. Copperclouds and Atium shadows. Maybe there are 14 other Aviar species that each kinda correlate to Allomantic powers. The Aviar and the symbiotic worms  could be some sort of experiment in creating synthetic biological Allomancy. 

The problems with that theory are manyfold:

  1. The other animals know that Aviars block telepathy
  2. It would require the Aviars to have another origin than the other animals with arcane powers
  3. Mraize was suspected to have carried an aviar, hence the timing is impossible
  4. We have the information that no new Aviar have been discovered in centuries. When did that program begin?
  5. Mainland birds develop new powers
  6. Why multiple species with the same ability?
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K, I recently reread Sixth of Dusk, and I've got some new ideas on what other aviars could do. As it's been previously said, most of their abilities seem to be cognitive or spiritual, so I'm operating on the assumption that all talents are like this (this assumption, as well as all my predictions, are probably going to be wrong but if you take enough blind stabs eventually you'll hit something). 

Also, the two abilities we've seen are similar to other abilities we see in allomancy. They operate slightly differently but I believe this could imply that other abilities from other magic systems could give us ideas of other aviar talents so I've gone through and compiled a short list of which powers I think aviars could potentially have.

Likely powers (talents based on what we saw in the short story)

Seeking- this has already been pointed out but many predators have the ability to sense their prey so maybe an aviar could do this too. Maybe they could even take it a step further and read people's mind? Or I could see a Sanderson twist where they can sense the main emotion someone is feeling.

Telepathy- If the mice have the ability to speak to Dusk then I'm sure some aviars can too. Maybe they could even extend this talent to their companions and allow them to communicate with others telepathically. Also, allomancer Jak met a bird who can talk apparently? Maybe that's another point of evidence for this ability.

Other potential powers based on feruchemy and allomancy

Copper- Feruchemists have the ability to store and retrieve memories. What if an aviar could do this as well? I think it'd be useful to have a bird who could scout ahead and literally show you what they saw. Then maybe their companion could do the same and show other people their memories.

Rioting and soothing- Maybe aviars could influence emotions? It seems similar enough to their mental abilities.

Luck- nothing much to say about this; I just feel like it'd be cool.

Wakefulness- I was going through the feruchemy powers and suddenly had the idea of an owl that allowed its companion to go without sleep for longer periods of time. I think it'd be funny.

Deconfirmed powers 

Tin- While it wasn't outright deconfirmed Dusk thought it unlikely that Vathi was able to hear the stream from so far away when she found his camp. This implies that there isn't an aviar that improves its companion's senses or at the very least it wasn't known at the time. 

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