Tate Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 You can use Hemalurgy to transfer Allomantic and Feruchemichal powers. Could you also use this to transfer certain aspects of surgebinding? If so, what kind of spikes would you use? Would you use gemstones? If you know of any threads that can answer these questions, please tell me. Feel free to tear my theory apart, I am kind of new at this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathrangking Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 Brandon indicated that it could be used to steal shardblades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy92 Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 Hemulurgy can be used Cosmere wide. I'm not sure how it would exactly take place off Scadrial. I'm guessing metal would still be involved though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Extesian Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 Yes hemalurgy can be used to steal any magical ability in the Cosmere if you know the right places to spike and have the right intent. We don't know if it always requires metal spikes but I believe it does. A few supporting WoBs Quote Q: If Hemalurgy can be used to transfer Investiture regardless of the planet, is someone gathering pieces of different Investitures the way Hoid for example got lerasium bead. A: Yes. Quote Q: Can spren be pierced by hemalurgic spikes? Will it give some effect? A: Yes. A spren can be pierced by invested metal… Q: Could it be spiked? A: Could a spike be used to give abilities to spren? That’s not going to work really well. Q: Could you steal from a spren? A: Yes you could steal the investiture of a spren. Any investiture can be used in a spike if you know what you’re doing. It’s actually not that hard to use one on a spren. Q: Because I thought you said hemalurgy needs moving blood. A: It needs, uh, yeah…there are places where spren have more physical form, more tangible form. Q: The Cognitive Realm? A: Yeah if you go to the Cognitive Realm on Roshar the spren act differently. Q: So you could spike in the cognitive realm? A: Yeah I’ll leave a RAFO with you on that. That’s your fifth one. So there are ways to get any investiture into hemalurgy if you know what you’re doing. But yeah this is not something that would be a common use for hemalurgy. Let’s just say that. Q: We do not concern ourselves with common uses. A: Yeah I know you don’t. But yeah hemalurgy, when you’re spiking into somebody you…you’ll see when we get around to it. Quote QUESTION Would a Hemalurgic spike take surges? BRANDON SANDERSON Hemalurgy can interact with every one of the magics. I designed it specifically in writing Mistborn for future use. Because some of the magics are so limited by their planet I wanted one that transcended all of them and Hemalurgyis very important to the entire cosmere Its invention is a thing of great power and great danger to the entire cosmere Quote ODIUM'S_SHARD Lastly, less pressingly, do Spirit Points (hemalurgic spots) apply to ever magic system, and through the Cosmere at large? Ie. could Hemalurgy be used to take any other magic systems aspects, and do other magic systems also have these 'Points', such as Body Focuses, that work in similar ways? BRANDON SANDERSON Hemalurgy crosses magic systems. You could steal things from people on other worlds, if you knew the right places for the spikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 24 minutes ago, Tate said: You can use Hemalurgy to transfer Allomantic and Feruchemichal powers. Could you also use this to transfer certain aspects of surgebinding? If so, what kind of spikes would you use? Would you use gemstones? If you know of any threads that can answer these questions, please tell me. Feel free to tear my theory apart, I am kind of new at this. The issue with stealing surgebinding is that it's the result of a bond between a person and a spren. You could steal the portion of soul that the bond is attached to, but once it's spiked into someone else, your probably going to kill the Spren and just have a summonable Shardblade. This WoB doesn't address your question directly, but it makes me think that even if you didn't outright kill the Spren, the bond would degrade and you would lose the ability quickly. Spoilered for length and other book content. Spoiler http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1174#9 DJARSKUBLAR So I could be wrong, but a Hemalurgic spike, when you use it and become a savant it does damage to your Spiritweb, right? BRANDON SANDERSON Yes Hemalurgy always hurts you. (I think he was saying that the Hemalurgy itself hurts you more than being a savant, but I'm not sure how to interpret this) DJARSKUBLAR So say you go to Roshar and you give somebody a Hemalurgic spike for some Allomantic power, don't care what, and you use it to become a savant. Does that qualify them as 'broken' enough to become a Radiant? As long as they are also following the Ideals to attract a spren. BRANDON SANDERSON So becoming a Radiant is a spectrum of terminologies. It... probably, but you would have to find a Radiant who would, or a spren who would be willing to touch that, okay? It's going to drive them back. DJARSKUBLAR So would it also affect your probability of becoming an Elantrian? BRANDON SANDERSON Yeah it would affect your ability to become anything else, yes. DJARSKUBLAR Okay, so would it be a positive effect, negative effect...? Because I was like, it gives you cracks in your Spiritweb. BRANDON SANDERSON It does give you cracks in your Spiritweb. DJARSKUBLAR So it's easier for Investiture to get in. Does it make it easier for other Investitures to get in? BRANDON SANDERSON It would make it... yes. It's going to drive spren away. So what it's really going to make easier for, there, is spren and Investiture that doesn't care. DJARSKUBLAR Okay, so Investiture doesn't care but spren do. BRANDON SANDERSON Investiture might care depending on if it's part of a Shard-- if it has intent and things like this. DJARSKUBLAR So it might let Stormlight in easier than a Breath, type thing. BRANDON SANDERSON I'm saying it might let Odium in easier than Syl. Because Syl would care, and Odium would not care. DJARSKUBLAR Okay cool. BRANDON SANDERSON Alright, so it could be a really bad thing, is what I'm trying to say to you. DJARSKUBLAR Yeah that's cool. I just want to know more about gold too. Gold Allomancy too. Because Miles was doing some funky stuff. BRANDON SANDERSON Miles was doing some funky stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 Interesting point here... could you make a spike out of a gemstone and use it for Hemalurgy? And in that case, could you trap a spren inside of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tate Posted August 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 12 hours ago, Calderis said: This WoB doesn't address your question directly, but it makes me think that even if you didn't outright kill the Spren, the bond would degrade and you would lose the ability quickly. You might be able to trap a spren inside of it, then you could transfer the spren and the power of surgebinding. This might make it last longer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 Just now, Tate said: You might be able to trap a spren inside of it, then you could transfer the spren and the power of surgebinding. This might make it last longer If a spike is able to contain the entirety if a spren, I agree, that spike would create an artificial bond that the Spren has no choice in. It would be completely unregulated by the Oaths. That's kind of frightening. We don't know if a spike can hold a full spren though. Hemalurgic spikes normally contain a fairly small amount of investiture. It's just an important bit. Spoilered for length Spoiler http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1047#12 HEROWANNABE I’m curious, I’ve got a list of various cosmere bits of metal, and I wonder if you would rank them from like 1 to 10 or easy to difficult on how hard it would be to steelpush on them? BRANDON SANDERSON Okay. HEROWANNABE So, like metal inside a person’s body? BRANDON SANDERSON It depends on how strong the investiture in them is. HEROWANNABE Is that going to be the answer for all of these? BRANDON SANDERSON Probably. HEROWANNABE How about a spike charged with Hemalurgy? Not in a person. BRANDON SANDERSON Not in a person? It depends on how strong—yeah. A spike is moderately—in the realm of these sorts of things—moderately easy to push on, because a spike does not rip off very much investiture. Only enough to short circuit the soul, and it loses that over time. So I would put that at the bottom—with the top being very hard—to be one of the easier things. HEROWANNABE How about a metalmind? A feruchemy metalmind that is "full." BRANDON SANDERSON That is going to be middle of the realm. Generally easier than, for instance, a shardblade, which is going to be very hard. AARADEL But a shardblade isn’t actual metal. Ish? BRANDON SANDERSON Ish. Is Lerasium a metal? Yeah. HEROWANNABE So would that be the same for Shardplate, too? BRANDON SANDERSON Shardplate and blade are very hard. Blade is probably going to be harder. [...] HEROWANNABE Halfshard? Like a halfshard shield? BRANDON SANDERSON Halfshard shield is going to be in moderate. HEROWANNABE Nightblood? I imagine is going to be very difficult. BRANDON SANDERSON Very hard. Of all the things you’ve listed, he’s the hardest. Far beyond even a shardblade. HEROWANNABE Far beyond metal inside a person? BRANDON SANDERSON Yes, depending on how invested the person is. AARADEL If someone was invested as much as Nightblood I’m pretty sure it’s going to be very difficult. BRANDON SANDERSON Yes, for instance, the Godking, at the end, with all of those Breaths. Pushing on something inside of him? Getting through all that? Gonna be REAL hard. Average person on Scadrial? You’ve seen how hard that is. A drab? Much easier. HEROWANNABE That was actually going to be my next one- No, sorry, not a drab, a Lifeless. BRANDON SANDERSON A Lifeless. Lifeless are kinda weird, because they’ve had their soul leave, but then they’ve had a replacement stuck in, in the form of Breath, which puts them in a really weird position compared to a Drab, which has had part of their investiture ripped away, but the majority of it remains. So anyway, I’m going to give you one more. Pick your favorite. HEROWANNABE Okay, a soul-stamped piece of metal. BRANDON SANDERSON A soul-stamped piece of metal is going to be on the lower, easier side. Not a lot of investiture going on in a soulstamp. TAGS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tate Posted August 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 Interesting... I wonder if the spike holding stormlight would make a difference. Would it make it easier to hold the investiture and spren, or make it harder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Evilcat Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 2 hours ago, Tate said: Interesting... I wonder if the spike holding stormlight would make a difference. Would it make it easier to hold the investiture and spren, or make it harder? I suspect that if a spike were somehow Invested with Stormlight, it would already be closer to "full", and make it harder to hold the additional investiture of a spren or Surgebinding abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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