Claincy Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 As the title says. Available from Crafty's website. I don't have a copy yet so I can't really comment on the contents yet *shrugs*. I bought a copy through the house war kickstarter so I should have the digitial copy soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 I think it would be better idea to do this supplement after Lost Metal which will probably explain some of the newly discovered properties of metals, unkeyed metalminds and medallions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsdaughter613 Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 They don't mention that the Sovereign is the Survivor, instead perpetuating the error that he is the TLR. Then again, it is written from the perspective of the North... The problem is the Malawish would know the difference! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Kingsdaughter613 said: The problem is the Malawish would know the difference! How would they know the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 2 hours ago, Kingsdaughter613 said: The problem is the Malawish would know the difference! In the book he is only referred to as the Sovereign by them. There's no indication that they know he is anything different than he appeared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsdaughter613 Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 Wrong hair color... wrong eye color. SCARS on his hands that Kell did not cover... Once more information gets out someone is putting two and two together. They really don't look a thing alike, aside from the height. And we don't know if Kell used his own name or not... The book does mention that he's the Sovereign in 'Secrets of Masks of the Past' under 'the Sovereign.' But most of the book pretends he's TLR. The assumption is the Malwish don't know; I feel it would have been better to leave it ambiguous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 @Kingsdaughter613 how would the Malwish know what TLR looked like to compare him to the Sovereign? The implications in the book is that allomancers are revered as divinities in the south. Whether Kel started that, or just took advantage of it, he's not the type to throw away something that works in his favor. I don't know that he actually claimed to be TLR. That could just be an attribution ascribed by those hearing about the Sovereign because of the similarities between the two, but I am sure that Kel wasn't like "hey, I'm just some guy. I don't deserve all this praise. Ignore me." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsdaughter613 Posted August 11, 2017 Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 I think you misunderstood. It is unclear in the book whether or not the Malwish know Kelsier's name. We do know he didn't hide his scars and probably the rest of his features. The Malwish don't need to know the difference; the Northerners do. As soon as someone starts describing the Sovereign the Northerners will figure it out. Which makes it unlikely that the charade will last much longer. The gamebook says the Southerners believe the Sovereign is TLR. There isn't any indication of that in the book; it's Wax and co who come to that conclusion. I think it would have been better to leave it ambiguous; saying the Southerners believe a man from the North came to save them. This way players can make their own choice. I'm not certain where their other beliefs come in; I'm not complaining about that! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Extesian Posted August 11, 2017 Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 Unless Allik is simply wrong, Kel pretended to be TLR Quote “Who is the Sovereign?” Waxillium asked from behind. Allik winced. “Surely he was not as great as you, Remarkable One.” Waxillium said nothing. “He’s staring at me, isn’t he?” Allik asked softly of Marasi. She nodded. “Eyes like icicles,” Allik said, “drilling into me from behind.” He spoke more loudly. “The Sovereign was our king from three centuries ago. He told us he was your king first. And your god.” “The Lord Ruler?” Waxillium said. “He died.” “Yes,” Allik said. “He told us that too.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted August 11, 2017 Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 Just now, Extesian said: Unless Allik is simply wrong, Kel pretended to be TLR I forgot that line. So he so it's definitely more than just similarities. Thanks Extesian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted August 11, 2017 Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Extesian said: He told us he was your king first. And your god. I still don't know why Kelsier said that. I mean, the moment somebody starts describing him, all of the North will be like "SURVIVOR?!". His trademark scars are... well, trademark. Kelsier was not a king at any given moment, so if he said that he wanted to spread short-live misdirection in the North he was actually TLR. Or... maybe we're overthinking it, as we always are? Maybe he said that to give himself more authority and power? "I was a king and god and everybody loved me and they gave me their most beatiful women and - yeah, it would be nice if you did that too - and I had a throne as big as a mountain...". Just classical Kelsier. Edited August 11, 2017 by Oversleep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Extesian Posted August 11, 2017 Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 It was always a bit strange to me that Allik said yes when asked if it was TLR since the Southerners didn't know about TLR. Could be a translation issue. But Kel clearly states new was King (unless time obscured his original words). But I don't think he was trying to weirdly mislead, and also not necessarily for self glorification. I think it was a way to embed in their minds his authority for their own benefit. Things were good before and bad after. So he basically let them think he was the original reason for the good times, so they'd trust jinn to help rebuild their society. But I've always seem the best in my man Kel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted August 11, 2017 Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Extesian said: But I've always seem the best in my man Kel. I haven't and that's part of why he's such a great character. He has some serious darkness inside. If things were different in Scadrial in the first story he could easily have been a villain. It's what scares me most about him going forward. It always hurts to see a hero fall. He has a lot of potential in both directions. Either way he goes I'll enjoy the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shqueeves Posted August 11, 2017 Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 2 hours ago, Extesian said: It was always a bit strange to me that Allik said yes when asked if it was TLR since the Southerners didn't know about TLR. Could be a translation issue. In the passage, Allik agrees that the Sovereign claimed to have died 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted August 11, 2017 Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 34 minutes ago, Shqueeves said: In the passage, Allik agrees that the Sovereign claimed to have died Very good catch. Wax says "the Lord Ruler? He died" Allik says he told them that as well, but if "The Lord Ruler" doesn't mean anything to him, then he'd be acknowledging the latter half. The TLR part is an assumption. I like it. A lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Extesian Posted August 11, 2017 Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 Agreed, good work @Shqueeves I didn't read carefully enough. He still claims he was king (clearly untrue) and god (kinda true) so he was still being Kelsiery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsdaughter613 Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 We don't even know that Kell claimed to be king. He may have said 'I lead them,' or something similar and this was interpreted as him being a king. The whole thing is being translated too; it's possible that what Allik is thinking and what is being heard are two separate things. And Allik never struck me as the most knowledgeable regarding his people's myths. He could simply be wrong. We just don't know enough to say for certain. Which is why I felt it was better left ambiguous, allowing the Narrator and players to decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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