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So my entire theory is this: The day before Lopen succeeds in breathing in Stormlight, a spren is watching Elhokar about to bond him and Lopen tries and fails to breath Stormlight. Then he's like "What were those Oaths Kaladin talked about?" Then he says the first Oaths (and maybe the second one for whatever order it is, or a truth if it's a Cryptic) and this makes the spren bond him.

 

Basically the point is him bonding a Spren was a complete accident.

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19 minutes ago, Hafrigado said:

So my entire theory is this: The day before Lopen succeeds in breathing in Stormlight, a spren is watching Elhokar about to bond him and Lopen tries and fails to breath Stormlight. Then he's like "What were those Oaths Kaladin talked about?" Then he says the first Oaths (and maybe the second one for whatever order it is, or a truth if it's a Cryptic) and this makes the spren bond him.

 

Basically the point is him bonding a Spren was a complete accident.

You're assuming he bonded a spren. 

The ability to invest Stormlight can be achieved by the squires of Radiants, and Windrunners are known to have stronger and more numerous squires. 

Teft tells Kaladin that in the battle on the Shattered Plains he could swear he saw members of Bridge Four glowing. 

Until we actually see a spren, it's most likely that Lopen is one of Kaladin's squires. 

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2 minutes ago, Calderis said:

Teft tells Kaladin that in the battle on the Shattered Plains he could swear he saw members of Bridge Four glowing. 

Until we actually see a spren, it's most likely that Lopen is one of Kaladin's squires. 

Yes and I considered that but he said some of them were glowing and it never really seemed like Lopen was a squire. For one thing he wasn't in Bridge 4 as long as a lot of the other ones were and he didn't carry the bridge or learn how to use a spear so he wasn't  one of "Kaladin's men" as much as the rest of them. Also, Lopen wasn't there when it happened (he was helping watch Elhokar at the time) so if it was something that started or unlocked during the battle he probably wouldn't have been affected by it.

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1 minute ago, Hafrigado said:

Yes and I considered that but he said some of them were glowing and it never really seemed like Lopen was a squire. For one thing he wasn't in Bridge 4 as long as a lot of the other ones were and he didn't carry the bridge or learn how to use a spear so he wasn't  one of "Kaladin's men" as much as the rest of them. Also, Lopen wasn't there when it happened (he was helping watch Elhokar at the time) so if it was something that started or unlocked during the battle he probably wouldn't have been affected by it.

Lopen was one of Kaladin's strongest supporters from the moment he joined bridge four. 

He was a continual ray of light in the ever present gloom. 

Kaladin trusts him, and he is willing to put his neck out for Kaladin by guarding the storming king. 

If he's not one of Kaladin's squires, none of them should be. 

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Don't get me wrong Lopen is great. He's probably my favorite character. I just don't feel like he's a squire.

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7 minutes ago, Hafrigado said:

Don't get me wrong Lopen is great. He's probably my favorite character. I just don't feel like he's a squire.

I'm hoping he gets a spren eventually

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20 minutes ago, Hafrigado said:

Don't get me wrong Lopen is great. He's probably my favorite character. I just don't feel like he's a squire.

Why?

If you mean, that the Lopen should be a Knight himself? Oh, hell yeah. Then I agree with you.

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Also the rest of Bridge 4 look up to Kaladin as their leader and as a "Knight Radiant" while with Lopen it's more like (or I feel this way anyway) he's part of Bridge 4 and Kaladin is his boss and he can glow which is cool but he's also his friend and equal.

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Just now, SLNC said:

Why?

If you mean, that the Lopen should be a Knight himself? Oh, hell yeah. Then I agree with you.

Exactly

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This theory is more of a "wouldn't it be funny if....." thing anyway. Although I do stand by my belief that The Lopen is more than just a squire.

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I hate to end a good conversation but we don't need to speculate on this one. 

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Q: Lopen. Is he a squire, or does he actually have a spren?
A: He’s a squire. You’ll find out a lot more about what the squires are in the upcoming book. For most orders, squire were knights radiant potentially in training, so you can see what happens in the next book.

 

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1 minute ago, Extesian said:

Q: Lopen. Is he a squire, or does he actually have a spren?
A: He’s a squire. You’ll find out a lot more about what the squires are in the upcoming book. For most orders, squire were knights radiant potentially in training, so you can see what happens in the next book.

I don't think I've ever been so disappointed in my entire life.....

 

:)No, just kidding that's fine. I'm wrong. I mostly just like to argue.

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3 minutes ago, Hafrigado said:

I don't think I've ever been so disappointed in my entire life.....

 

:)No, just kidding that's fine. I'm wrong. I mostly just like to argue.

There are many obscure WoBs it takes time to discover. Being wrong here doesn't matter, proposing interesting ideas, finding patterns and opening up topics of discussion are always worthwhile :) That WoB is recent so it was still a question worth asking!

And welcome to the Shard :)

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6 minutes ago, Hafrigado said:

I don't think I've ever been so disappointed in my entire life.....

Why though? Squires can always bond spren in due time. :)

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Honestly the idea of someone bonding a spren meant for someone else by accident is a funny concept I'd like to see happen lol. 

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6 hours ago, Andy92 said:

Honestly the idea of someone bonding a spren meant for someone else by accident is a funny concept I'd like to see happen lol. 

Or stealing a spren....?

Shhhh its impossible no one try it. And I'm not up to anything. Go away... :ph34r:

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10 hours ago, Extesian said:

Q: Lopen. Is he a squire, or does he actually have a spren?
A: He’s a squire. You’ll find out a lot more about what the squires are in the upcoming book. For most orders, squire were knights radiant potentially in training, so you can see what happens in the next book.

Does this mean that Lopen is not a KR potentially in training? Oddly (even though my idea conflicted with the medieval use of the word), I'd assumed that squires would always be loyal helpers who received benefits from their bond with their KR. This WoB almost seems like the strongest evidence that it is possible for Lopen or one of the others to get their own spren. Am I reading this wrong?

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13 minutes ago, Frostlander said:

Does this mean that Lopen is not a KR potentially in training? Oddly (even though my idea conflicted with the medieval use of the word), I'd assumed that squires would always be loyal helpers who received benefits from their bond with their KR. This WoB almost seems like the strongest evidence that it is possible for Lopen or one of the others to get their own spren. Am I reading this wrong?

We know that connection to a Radiant increases your likelihood of attracting a spren. We also know that the Windrunners were a very structured order. 

Those together mean, at least in my opinion, that squires, as long as they strive to emulate the Knights they serve are potential Radiants. The main factor here though is that, like with all Radiants, they will only become one if a Spren chooses them to bond with. 

I wouldn't be surprised if members of bridge four become Windrunners somewhere down the line. 

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Well, just take a look at which members of Bridge Four received most character development, and you have yourself the future Windrunners (aside from Moash).

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8 hours ago, Rob Lucci said:

Well, just take a look at which members of Bridge Four received most character development, and you have yourself the future Windrunners (aside from Moash).

While it is highly likely some of Kaladin's squires will become Radiants based on the fact Brandon said being near a Radiant increased your chances combined to being a squire often being a first step, I don't know if they would all be Windrunners... Bridge 4 are such a disparate group of people, while they have decided to follow Kaladin and endorse his ideals, I am not sure it precludes them from developing their own philosophies and thus bond a spren from another order. Say Stonewards: their first oath being "I will stand" does bear some similarities with Windrunners wanting to protect. I mean, each and every one of Kaladin's fights could be seen as "last stands".

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We're already seeing the pieces put into place for Kaladin to have a big group of Windrunner squires. Both to show readers how that works and, possibly, to set up a new arc. A logical next Kaladin-angst-arc would be for him to have to deal with some of Bridge 4 becoming KR, some following him around and glowing, and some not needing his protection. I imagine a cool scene where a bunch of them drop in at just the right time, but I can also see the potential for a next oath to be about letting go when others can protect themselves or something like that. There are too many possibilities for Kaladin-angst and plot development.

One point in favor of Lopen remaining a squire: more Lopen, as he'll be hanging around Kaladin more.

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4 hours ago, maxal said:

While it is highly likely some of Kaladin's squires will become Radiants based on the fact Brandon said being near a Radiant increased your chances combined to being a squire often being a first step, I don't know if they would all be Windrunners... Bridge 4 are such a disparate group of people, while they have decided to follow Kaladin and endorse his ideals, I am not sure it precludes them from developing their own philosophies and thus bond a spren from another order. Say Stonewards: their first oath being "I will stand" does bear some similarities with Windrunners wanting to protect. I mean, each and every one of Kaladin's fights could be seen as "last stands".

On this note, I've always seen the epigraph from the in-universe WoR about... Melisshi or something, IIRC?.. as being weak evidence that squires would join the same order as their Knight: It talks about how the person in question was frustrated that he could not progress, as he wished his oaths to be straightforward, but the oaths of Lightweavers were more nebulous, or something.

I would guess it would take disengaging from whatever Bonds/proto-Nahel Bonds develop through squire-hood to then be able to find a Spren of a more suitable order to Bond. That is probably a more high cost and high risk path than many squires would wish to tread.

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5 hours ago, maxal said:

While it is highly likely some of Kaladin's squires will become Radiants based on the fact Brandon said being near a Radiant increased your chances combined to being a squire often being a first step, I don't know if they would all be Windrunners... Bridge 4 are such a disparate group of people, while they have decided to follow Kaladin and endorse his ideals, I am not sure it precludes them from developing their own philosophies and thus bond a spren from another order. Say Stonewards: their first oath being "I will stand" does bear some similarities with Windrunners wanting to protect. I mean, each and every one of Kaladin's fights could be seen as "last stands".

Maybe not all of them become squires or Windrunners, but it's a time-tested trick in any series with a plot-related power creep (such as shonen manga, or Stormlight Archives funnily enough) that the people with the most character development will also keep gaining power one way or another.

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On 7/24/2017 at 0:49 AM, Calderis said:

You're assuming he bonded a spren. 

The ability to invest Stormlight can be achieved by the squires of Radiants, and Windrunners are known to have stronger and more numerous squires. 

Teft tells Kaladin that in the battle on the Shattered Plains he could swear he saw members of Bridge Four glowing. 

Until we actually see a spren, it's most likely that Lopen is one of Kaladin's squires. 

That seems most likely considering the fact that if my memory serves me others from bridge 4 experienced the same thing.

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8 minutes ago, Nathrangking said:

That seems most likely considering the fact that if my memory serves me others from bridge 4 experienced the same thing.

Yeah. Since I was last active in this thread I found this. It seems pretty explicit. 

http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1155#6

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QUESTION

Squires?

BRANDON SANDERSON

Bridge 4 are Kaladin’s Squires.

 

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