Lunu’anaki Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, The traveller said: Possible. I suppose if silverlight scholars develop FTL, which why not, it would be using this method only. Wow.. I think space era is going to be amazing!! I agree. It's what all of this is leading up to and the Cosmere is going to be the first of it's kind as a fantasy series/universe that runs the gamut from Medieval Kingdoms to Sci-fi Space Operas! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Lunu’anaki said: I agree. It's what all of this is leading up to and the Cosmere is going to be the first of it's kind as a fantasy series/universe that runs the gamut from Medieval Kingdoms to Sci-fi Space Operas! For the first time in fantasy, we'll get to see a world, actually multiple worlds, develop and go through various stages of civilization I don't think any other work has done this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aon Tia Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 3 hours ago, Honorless said: For the first time in fantasy, we'll get to see a world, actually multiple worlds, develop and go through various stages of civilization I don't think any other work has done this It is stuff like this that no one else does that I am here... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 (edited) Hey @Karger, I'm sorry about the way I acted on this thread. I definitely came off way too strongly. I think I carried over a lot of the vitriol over from our arguments on one of Oltux's topics on Shardplate & Copperclouds and Skathan, where you disagreed on my defenses of your own theories. Let's just let bygones be bygones. I decided to apologize here publicly since the fight was public too. Just DM me one way or another; let's not create more of a show for future visitors to this thread. Edited November 9, 2019 by Honorless 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aon Tia Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 How do you guys think Nalthis might achieve FTL? There magic seems to be least explored and I can not think of how awakening might help.... any ideas.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 2 hours ago, The traveller said: How do you guys think Nalthis might achieve FTL? There magic seems to be least explored and I can not think of how awakening might help.... any ideas.. Maybe very complex commands are now possible and there are national treasuries of Breath; entire civilizations and technological marvels fuelled by Breath. After all, Awakening is the most unrestricted Investiture system we've seen so far: an Awakener could easily Command a machine to have pertual movement, which could be used to generate energy, that could be used to fuel spaceships. Higher Heightenings can grant immortality but that wouldn't be too widespread, so I don't know what they're going to do about the long, long, long travel through interstellar space. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Honorless said: I decided to apologize here publicly since the fight was public too. Just DM me one way or another; let's not create more of a show for future visitors to this thread. Agreed. 6 hours ago, The traveller said: How do you guys think Nalthis might achieve FTL? There magic seems to be least explored and I can not think of how awakening might help.... any ideas.. Hmm. Honestly with Nalthis's magic system the right command would do it. "Go impossibly fast when asked to!" Or. "Make waves/holes in the space time continuum!" Edited November 9, 2019 by Karger 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 On 11/8/2019 at 3:12 PM, Honorless said: To add to 3): so many Elantrians must've chosen the Pool by this time. The Pool, which we know, is actually Devotion's Perpendicularity. So there must be many Elantrian worldhoppers by this point, like the lighthouse keeper/Hoed from before the Reod. I previously noted that the Ire seem to have a lot of Realmatic knowledge but seemingly no desire to help Sel flourish. I didn't consider these other Elantrians who might have grown weary of the world and chosen the Pool or otherwise thrown into the Pool. Yup, Sel is also a good candidate for the Ones Above. Less Worldhoppers from Sel, as it turns out. I didn't factor in the Dor, which is a giant storm of churning plasma Investiture Quote Titan Arum If a Hoed goes to the shardpool in the mountains, what happens to them in the Cognitive Realm? Brandon Sanderson What do you think happens to them? Titan Arum I want to say that the IRE, but I know they’re not because they’re really, really, really, really old. Brandon Sanderson I have... Questioner 2 I have a theory that that’s how you get seons. Brandon Sanderson Here’s the thing, here’s the thing, what have I said about the Cognitive Realm on Sel? Titan Arum That it’s really, really dangerous. Brandon Sanderson Yes. Any guesses why? Titan Arum Because the Shards are Splintered so all the power of the Dor is kind of sloshing around and it’s basically like a highstorm there. Brandon Sanderson So, what would happen if someone went into there through the shardpool? Titan Arum It’s probably not as good as they think it is? Brandon Sanderson No. Titan Arum Would they get splintered like that? Brandon Sanderon No they’d just... Titan Arum Would they get ripped apart? Brandon Sanderon Yeah. That’s why it’s really dangerous. Titan Arum Ouch. Questioner So the Elantrians are just dying when they go in... Questioner So when the Hoed or the Elantrians go in... Brandon Sanderon For the...let’s just say they’re cast into a very dangerous environment without any preparation for it. Questioner So how’d the Ire get there? Questioner They have gone before or they may have been properly prepared. Brandon Sanderon There’s some theories, that are theories that could totally be the case. Or you could theorize others as well. Calamity Philadelphia signing (Feb. 20, 2016) The lighthouse keeper survived though, so others may have managed as well, just not as many as I had originally thought 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FictionSpren Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 Surely it the 17th shard. There numbers are vast and technology would be advanced as Scadrial so... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aon Tia Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 25 minutes ago, FictionSpren said: Surely it the 17th shard. There numbers are vast and technology would be advanced as Scadrial so... But the ones above (Toa) have the intention to eventually capture the fots.. which I doubt the scholars of silverlight are into.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Karger Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 On 11/23/2019 at 0:49 AM, The traveller said: But the ones above (Toa) have the intention to eventually capture the fots.. which I doubt the scholars of silverlight are into.. Unless this is an evolved imperial silverlight. Organizations have been known to change over time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aon Tia Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 59 minutes ago, Karger said: Unless this is an evolved imperial silverlight. Organizations have been known to change over time. A little too far fetched and not based on anything we know.. possible but I highly doubt that.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Karger said: Unless this is an evolved imperial silverlight. Organizations have been known to change over time. Pure speculation but if it makes you happy... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Honorless said: Pure speculation but if it makes you happy... 10 hours ago, The traveller said: A little too far fetched and not based on anything we know.. possible but I highly doubt that.. Shrugs. I am fairly certain they are scadrain. Entertaining other lines of speculation can be fun. Edited November 25, 2019 by Karger 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aon Tia Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Karger said: Shrugs. I am fairly certain they are scadrain. Entertaining other lines of speculation can be fun. If it makes you happy, no problem 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted December 5, 2019 Report Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) OK lets break down all possibilities. 1. Scadrail. Scadrail is the obvious choice. It has a a lot of well educated people who know more then most about their invested arts. These invested arts are also being mechanized and work at unlimited range from scadrail and they can make FTL somehow. It has the economy necessary to sustain some serious industry and the ones above have not demonstrated any abilities that the scadrains do not have. Assuming no major disasters scadrail in space is only a matter of time. On the other hand scadrail has two perpendicularities. This means that they have no need to invent space travel. In addition to this scadrails especially northern ones have been remarkably lazy these last few centuries and they don't have any pressing need to leave home. 2. Roshar Roshar (assuming it is not destroyed by Odium) is an extremely energetic culture on the cusp of an industrial(fabrial) revolution. Fabrails may easily allow any of the powers we have witnessed. Additional the surges will soon be better understood thanks to Radiant revival. Rosharans also do have a pressing need to get off planet(Odium's forces) and only one stable perpendicularity(which is currently under siege). FTL could well be possible with fabrail tec. On the other hand fabrails are based on spren who can't leave Roshar. In fact even Hoid does not yet know how to circumvent this. This problem is almost certainly fixable but it should still be taken into consideration. 3. Nalthis Nalthis is a nice planet. With a growing population and only one stable perpendicularity. This perpendicularity is also under the control of a single country with a powerful lifeless(zombie) army. Any other country would need FTL to compete with this kind of monopoly. We also don't know the full capabilities of breath commands. If I had 80,000 breath and told a can of beans to be a hyperdrive it probably would listen. However even the Nalthians themselves don't really know the full capacity of breath and breath itself is quite expensive. 4. Sel Sel has a dozen magic systems and a bunch of plasma in the CR. Ample reason to invent FTL. The magic system itself is capable of anything and the population is both large and increasingly well educated. The only problem really is the region locked nature of Selish magic systems. This is cercumventeable but should also be noted. 5. Threnody I thought it bore mentioning. We have no idea of this planet's magic system or what it is capable of. It does not have a stable perpendicularity and someone on this planet must have some ambition. 6. Taldain Dayside magic will not do anything here(so far as we know) but we have no idea about darkside magic. The planet is also technologically advanced and is effectively under siege. This could be interesting. 7. Silverlight If anyone has the tec the Silverlight will have it too if not first. What do you think? This one is long longer a possibility. One down 6 to go! Edited December 20, 2019 by Ookla the Prolific Honorless comment 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 Hmm... technically, didn't we also know of Yolen around the time of that WoB? lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 14 hours ago, Honorless said: Hmm... technically, didn't we also know of Yolen around the time of that WoB? lol Which WoB? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless Posted December 19, 2019 Report Share Posted December 19, 2019 Check these: https://wob.coppermind.net/adv_search/?tags=ones+above 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted December 19, 2019 Report Share Posted December 19, 2019 23 hours ago, Honorless said: Hmm... technically, didn't we also know of Yolen around the time of that WoB? lol We do know that Yolen exists but something odd is happening with them. Also no canonical works have mentioned Yolen by name yet(with the exception of Khriss's essays) so a number of WoBs seem to disqualify it as a possibility. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless Posted December 19, 2019 Report Share Posted December 19, 2019 Yeah, seems so All that plus he uses the word "planet" to describe the where the Ones Above belong, so places like Silverlight and other Worldhopper orgs based in the Cognitive are out too 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 20 hours ago, Honorless said: Yeah, seems so All that plus he uses the word "planet" to describe the where the Ones Above belong, so places like Silverlight and other Worldhopper orgs based in the Cognitive are out too Good catch I have updated accordingly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) I checked and the earliest WoB was a bit before the release of Shadows for Silence in the Forests of Hell. So, Threnody might also not be a valid candidate. The other planets in the Drominad System are also out as they first got a mention in the Arcanum Unbounded essays. I don't think think Taldain should be counted either as White Sand graphic novels weren't out yet only the semi-canonical prose version, though an inter-Autonomy planetary scale conflict would have been interesting. Only Scadrial, Roshar, Sel and Nalthis are available as options Edited January 25, 2020 by Honorless 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 12 hours ago, Honorless said: I don't think think Taldain should be counted either as White Sand graphic novels weren't out yet only the semi-canonical prose version Yeah but I don't want people getting mad at me for writing this one off. 12 hours ago, Honorless said: while Sixth of the Dusk released in the same year but a bit later Or this one. Brandon might not have been thinking about precise release dates. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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