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Just posting to say I'm going to bed, and to give ya'll an up-to-date vote tally. Have a goodnight my fellow Americans, and good day my foreign friends.

C1 VotesThus far

(2) StrawSilverBlade5Amanuensis, BrightnessRadiant

(0) A Joe in the BushParanoid King,

(1) SeonidTheMightyLopen

(3) _Stick_OrlokTsubodaiParanoid KingElenion

(2) Silverblade5AmanuensisStraw,

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Whew. Finally finished catching up on the thread. I'll try to make a post every cycle, but I'm out most of the day, so I won't be as active as I'd like. I really wanted to RP this game, but it looks like I might have to keep that to the weekends. :(

7 hours ago, Elenion said:

A PM contact of mine found a problem in the coin-flip plan: the elims could use Chalklings to figure out who was odd and who was even, and then kill them when they're vulnerable. Although it's a minor hole, I thought up a solution:

1. Each player flips a coin this cycle, like I proposed before, and gets "odd" or "even"

2. Each "odd" player, on an odd cycle, flips two coins. If either of the coins are heads, the odd player Wards like normal. But if both coins are tails, the odd player takes a surprise action that night and then Wards the next night, continuing the game as an even player.

3. Each "even" player, on an even cycle, flips two coins. If either of the coins are heads, the even player Wards like normal. If both tails, they take a non-Warding action that night and continue from then on as an odd player.

4. This means that, out of 18 players, 9 should be off duty, 7 should be actually Warding, and 2 were assigned to Ward but are changing assignments.

Pros: elim scans lessen in value, more non-Warding actions per player

Cons: expected wards per night drop, and these numbers don't reflect non-Rithmatists, elims, or inactives.

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I like the coin flip idea. But I'm thinking that one additional flip would be better rather than two. So, for example, an odd player will flip a single coin on an odd cycle, and if it lands on heads, the odd player uses a Line of Warding. One additional flip essentially causes the same amount of uncertainty as two. Either way, if a chalkling spies on a player who makes a Line of Warding, it'll be just as difficult to work out whether they will draw a Line of Warding on a future turn.

Besides the Line of Warding, the Line of Making and Line of Forbiddance are our greatest assets at this point (even if you take specialists into account). I'd put more emphasis on Lines of Forbiddance simply because we have other methods of finding suspects as well (i.e. via the thread). We can collect more information, but a dead villager puts us at a great disadvantage. Ideally, the total number of Lines of Forbiddance drawn by the village should be greater than the total number of Lines of Making, though the total number of Lines of Making should not go to 0. I'm not suggesting that we put a system in place to ensure this, because I feel that would greatly diminish an individual player's autonomy. Rather, I'm trying to encourage using one action more often than the other.

I'm not going to vote for anyone because I am currently against voting during the first cycle. It's an excellent way to give the elims a dead villager at no cost since we have so little evidence.

Hopefully, that post was clear... Feel free to poke vote me if it's not.

For future reference, if you poke vote me just to bring me into the thread, but with no specific comment, I'll probably ignore you depending on how busy I am. :P 

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Oh jeez, a bandwagon on me. 

I can't reply to the votes on me and stuff as I'm in school, but I'll say that I'm fine with getting lynched if it gives helpful information (I don't think it will). If not me, it's likely to be another villager so...

I won't post in the next eight hours or so because school.

oh and can someone post a countdown?

 

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Response to @A Joe in the Bush, with his words in bold:

"I do like the pairing system, and would have supported it if Elenion hadn't brought up the coin plan. of course, there's the problem of the Elims getting partnered together, or of them all deciding to ward the same night, so that they can weaken the defenses all at once on a certain night. how would you have dealt with those problems Lopen?"

I had not suggested a way for all of the players to be paired, and it's very unlikely that they would be randomly paired if there's as few of them as everyone is assuming. I doubt anyone would suggest any way besides randomly, and if they did, that could tell us something. Every plan comes with risks, but if you don't make any moves, the eliminators can win because of passive village play. There has to be the opportunity for them to slip up.

"Lopen brings up good points. and then he poke votes seonid. (-_-) but yeah, he hits all the points i wanted to hit."

It was like 8am, and I hadn't slept, but I wanted to vote. Figured I'd at least give someone a prompt to post something with actual content, rather than...what he posted. >>

"dang it lopen. cause chaos later. plan now."

But chaos is my plan. :) (I'm kidding, and my "asking" DA to cause chaos was also a joke. Obviously he told me his role and I gave him some good advice, then told him he could just cause chaos instead of listening to me. :P)

"So why aren't you retracting your vote on Seonid?"

Ties are helpful for gathering info, and the votes were tied when I last posted. I gave my opinions on the players, and Seonid hadn't responded. There was no need for me to change my vote at that point. Why didn't you vote? You say you don't intend to this Cycle unless something is very suspicious, but that doesn't make much sense to me. It's Day 1, nothing is going to be that suspicious. I get that you're busy, but you just went and responded to every post, and even mentioned you'd be okay with lynching Straw or Stick. Why not vote on one of them?

1 hour ago, Seonid said:

I'm here,  I'm alive.

I don't tend to participate d1 much. I love the theory of the d1 lynch,  but I've never managed to make it work out for me.

I haven't seen anything suspicious yet,  but I'll be watching and waiting. 

I was hoping for more than that @Seonid. If you're a villager, we need you to be discussing things! There's 3 lynch targets, could you at least give your opinion on them?

I'm moving my vote from Seonid to Straw, mostly because I have a village read on Stick and kind of a village read on SB(less so than Stick). I don't really think him and Aman are teammates though, based on the fact that they're voting together on Day 1. I haven't really seen anything to make me suspicious of Aman yet either, so it was mostly a bout of paranoia(I will stay paranoid of him until I see good reason not to).

The new colors annoy me for some reason...

@Frozen Mint, the dead villager is what gives us the evidence we need for a solid lynch. Without a lynch on D1, we're in a similarly clueless state on D2. Not saying I suspect you because of your stance on the issue, just that I don't think it's a good strategy. And we have lynched eliminators on D1 before, multiple times.

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Isaac Jones' first few Lines of Vigor went wide of their marks, but luckily didn't hit the Wards of any friendly Rithmatists. His next volley hit the crowd of oncoming Chalklings indiscriminately, breaking off two-dimensional heads, arms, and fangs, but did little to slow the furious charge. As the Chalklings drew closer they fanned out, breaking into small groups to face down the individual Rithmatists now setting up in defensive positions. Jones took this time to sketch up a pair of defensive Chalklings, each a heavily-armored knight with a more-than-slight stoop and a large warhammer. The latter element, although unorthodox, was almost a signature of Jones'. The former was due to a couple too many drinks.

 

@TheMightyLopen  Can you elaborate as to why you have a Village read on Stick?

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Like I said before, I've been an elim with Stick, so I feel like I can read her to some extent, and so far she sounds more like villager Stick than eliminator Stick. It's just a gut/tone read. The comment she made that you mentioned as suspicious seems innocent enough to me, tbh, which makes me a little suspicious of you Len. Part of the reason I'm voting Straw is that it seems like there's been a little resistance in lynching him. Joe said he wouldn't mind if Straw or Stick got lynched, but doesn't vote on one of them. You vote on Stick as the 3rd vote to break the tie between Stick, Straw, and SB. Aman prodded Straw to speak up, while voting on him, which could have been a way to help Straw avoid the lynch by backing off once he responded more, but like I said, I don't think him and Straw are teammates since they're voting together. If Straw turns out to be an eliminator, I'd probably go after you or Joe. Depends on how the rest of they Cycle plays out though.

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@Amanuensis....you do know of my current situation right? Bleh, PM me on discord and I'll explain it.

I am kind of busy trying to write alot today, I'll try and do something later on, I don't think we should lynch anyone d1 tbh, as there is a more chance of lynching a villager than elim. eh I'll be back later and I'll contribute more.

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@Darkness Ascendant, I'd refer you again to the post I made early in the cycle, in which I postulated that we needed to lynch an eliminator by Turn 3 to avoid a conversion (I hadn't considered acid specialists, but the point stands - we don't want to use it if we don't have to). Do you disagree with my thoughts on timing? How would you propose we gained information?

If we don't lynch someone on D1, why would D2 be any different?

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Just now, OrlokTsubodai said:

@Darkness Ascendant, I'd refer you again to the post I made early in the cycle, in which I postulated that we needed to lynch an eliminator by Turn 3 to avoid a conversion (I hadn't considered acid specialists, but the point stands - we don't want to use it if we don't have to). Do you disagree with my thoughts on timing? How would you propose we gained information?

If we don't lynch someone on D1, why would D2 be any different?

Give time, reach out in PMs? 
It's kind of rare you get an elim on D1 anyway... *shrugs

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7 hours ago, Frozen Mint said:

I like the coin flip idea. But I'm thinking that one additional flip would be better rather than two. So, for example, an odd player will flip a single coin on an odd cycle, and if it lands on heads, the odd player uses a Line of Warding. One additional flip essentially causes the same amount of uncertainty as two. Either way, if a chalkling spies on a player who makes a Line of Warding, it'll be just as difficult to work out whether they will draw a Line of Warding on a future turn.

Doing only one flip means that at any one moment, half the players that should be defending is instead switching, which severely weakens the defense. Flipping two coins reduces that to only a quarter.

8 hours ago, A Joe in the Bush said:

I don't support anyone telling anyone what group they're in. If I was an Elim, I'd be trying to figure that out, and unless we assign people to tell certain people, it's likely that only a few trusted people will actually be told who's doing what, which will lead to a few players knowing a lot of the defense plan.

The reason I'd brought this up was that we needed some way to tell when one defense was being weakened too much, and this was the most secure way I could come up with. Elenion's modified coin-flipping plan makes this unnecessary, however, as both defenses would naturally remain in equilibrium.

10 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

we're nearing the 24 hour mark and most of you haven't participated in the lynch discussion at all. Why not? Do you have any thoughts on the players who have voted or been voted on so far? What about those who have posted while not getting involved? Are you not voting because you'd rather there not be a lynch?

I hadn't participated yet because most votes uptill that point had been poke votes, and I wanted to give everyone 24 hours to pop in and say hello. Anyway, regarding the current lynch candidates:

Straw and silverblade5 both seem to be acting similarly to previous games I've played with them. That's not a particularly large sample size, but I see nor reason to lynch any of them right now.

The vote on Seonid seems to have been just a poke-vote, so moving on.

Everyone seems to treat Joe's style of going over posts as his usual thing. I've only seen it once before, and he was an elim in that game, but since no one is calling him out on that I'm going to assume that's not suspicious.

So, Stick. I can see why Elim!Stick would make the comment she did about planning, as it encourages undue paranoia, while her comment that she hadn't seen any sign of that yet should have stopped any of the planners from looking into stick's actions. When asked about how she could tell when an elim was 'contributing' to planning, she backpedaled and said that she was just generally paranoid of people suggesting plans. This still doesn't explain why she thought there had been no elim plan-contributions yet.

However, despite what I just pointed out about Stick, I'm going to vote on Hemalurgic_Headshot.

7 hours ago, Hemalurgic_Headshot said:

It has been stressed that this is a game against time, and thus I very much support a D1 lynch. Normally, I would hang back to bring around a more solid suspicion with more evidence, but I feel that we can't afford to do that. Straw was accused for being brief and avoiding elaboration, which may be an Elim signal, but I'm not taking it seriously yet. Silverblade was accused for lurking, and that may also be an Elim signal, but yet again, I don't think it proves much right now.

^This is something worth noting. It is a gut read, but the thought process seems sound to me. Now, I will give benefit of the doubt some, because I have made suspicious wording before, when I was Village. But Stick is my greatest suspicion right now.

He stresses the importance of the lynch, then quotes Elenion to explain why stick is his greatest suspicion, but he doesn't actually vote. This to me looks like an elim trying to help the lynch of a villager along without actually exposing himself by voting or putting forward his own arguments. 

Vote tally:

(3) StrawSilverBlade5Amanuensis, BrightnessRadiantTheMightyLopen

(0) A Joe in the BushParanoid King,

(0) SeonidTheMightyLopen

(3) _Stick_OrlokTsubodaiParanoid KingElenion

(2) Silverblade5AmanuensisStraw,

(1) Hemalurgic_Headshot: Randuir

 

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6 hours ago, _Stick_ said:

Oh jeez, a bandwagon on me. 

I can't reply to the votes on me and stuff as I'm in school, but I'll say that I'm fine with getting lynched if it gives helpful information (I don't think it will). If not me, it's likely to be another villager so...

I won't post in the next eight hours or so because school.

oh and can someone post a countdown?

 

Well Rand, you see, Stick hasn't had a chance to defend herself. I'll wait until then to vote.

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Neil wasn’t sure how much time had passed since he’d started drawing. It felt like ages, but it couldn’t have been more than a couple of minutes. During that time, some of his old certainty had returned, and he had managed to not panic and freeze up when one of the tethers of his defensive chalklings disappeared when it got destroyed. Now, the tether of his one remaining chalking had started to move slowly back and forth again, as the drawing resumed its patrol.

He looked up, preparing to force his gaze away again at any sign of movement, but ahead of him only the remains of a large amount of chalkings could be seen. He saw some movement ahead of him, where he thought he saw another group of the monsters race to another part of the camp, but they were gone again in the blink of an eye.

Neil looked around, taking stock of his position. There where two other Rithmatists close by. One was the man who had saved him from the initial rush of chalklings. The other had entrenched himself in the Jordan defense and had a large group of friendly chalklings moving around nearby. He saw a couple of liens of vigor crawl over a nearby building, but they missed the defensive circles of him and his colleagues. They indicated that others were still fighting though.

His first instinct was to bunker down and hope for the best. His second thought was to try and help out the others that where still fighting elsewhere. However, the presence of the wild chalklings meant that the circle had been breached somehow, and if they wanted to have any chance at surviving through the day, they would have to seal that breach again.

Most of the wild chalklings seemed to be occupied elsewhere in the camp, but Neil didn’t want to risk rushing out there on his own. If there were more of the monsters, he would get into serious trouble. He turned to the other two Rithmatists again. “The breach in the Circle needs to be sealed. I can do that, but I’m going to need someone to watch my back. Are you two with me?”

@Ornstein, @Elenion, you guys up for a mad dash to close the circle?

35 minutes ago, Hemalurgic_Headshot said:

Well Rand, you see, Stick hasn't had a chance to defend herself. I'll wait until then to vote.

All right, fair enough. You didn't try the 'I forgot to color my vote' approach, which is what I'd expect an elim to try here, so bonus village points for that. I'm going to stick with the vote on you for now, but I'll re-evaluate once I've seen stick's defense.

Also, I hadn't included you in the RP above, HH, as I don't think a sloth would be most suited for a sprint to the circle. You are, of course, welcome to come and prove me wrong.

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Horatio poked at the slightly wriggling chalk blobs on his chest. "I'mgonnacallyouSquigly,andyouwillbeBob,andQubert... oohsoneactionlet'scheckitout!" He bounded towards a mass of chalkings at the head of the battle. Squigly vibrated. With a yell, Horatio leapt into the air with monkey fury and slammed down upon the enemy. Bob began to digest a chalkling.

"MOTHEROFBANANASEATMYCHALKYOUPESTS!!!"

Um, Neil, you might have an opening...

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11 hours ago, Elenion said:
11 hours ago, Elenion said:

Stick: Of the ideas proposed in the game until now, I don't see it yet,

The bolded section is is a subtle defense of the players who posted before this. If Stick was an elim, it might be her trying to give credibility to an elim teammate who posted before her, and at the same time start a line of suspicion that would result in the lynch of the first villager who proposed a substandard plan.

While it's not a whole lot, it's the biggest gut read I've got so far. Stick

That's (bolded for reference) just me failing to see futile/evil motives in the suggested plans. Can't really say anything in defence to a gut read.

PK@Paranoid King I understand that there's never much reasoning to give on C1, but I'd rather you give a better one than me being moderately active. Also, no one has refuted my claim that this has always been my normal activity level. So why does your vote remain on me?

Oh, and if I were an elim, I'd come at the last minute and change my vote from PK to Straw to prevent myself from getting lynched. So I recommend y'all people who're still thinking to settle on a lynch target and not leave the margins too close for the eliminators to control the lynch. That is, of course, only of concern if you happen to settle on a lynch target that's an elim. Unlikely, but still.

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@AmanuensisMy phone was left on the thread all night even though I wasn't viewing it. Just got through the very short and terse posts. Straw has voted, so I'm backing off for now. 

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11 hours ago, _Stick_ said:

Oh jeez, a bandwagon on me. 

I can't reply to the votes on me and stuff as I'm in school, but I'll say that I'm fine with getting lynched if it gives helpful information (I don't think it will). If not me, it's likely to be another villager so...

I won't post in the next eight hours or so because school.

oh and can someone post a countdown?

It's been ~9 hours since you've posted this. Can you respond now?

Also, ask and you shall receive:

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7 hours ago, Darkness Ascendant said:

@Amanuensis....you do know of my current situation right? Bleh, PM me on discord and I'll explain it.

I knew your previous situation, at least. I had assumed that you returning to the forums / Discord meant that you were no longer on lock down. Either way, the point of me asking publicly is because I'm sure there's a few players who don't know your situation. Understanding why you won't be as active / invested in this game is important for getting a read on you. Especially since a common strategy for eliminators is to bide time in the foreground while they pick off the active players.

5 hours ago, randuir said:

I hadn't participated yet because most votes uptill that point had been poke votes, and I wanted to give everyone 24 hours to pop in and say hello. Anyway, regarding the current lynch candidates:

Straw and silverblade5 both seem to be acting similarly to previous games I've played with them. That's not a particularly large sample size, but I see nor reason to lynch any of them right now.

The vote on Seonid seems to have been just a poke-vote, so moving on.

Everyone seems to treat Joe's style of going over posts as his usual thing. I've only seen it once before, and he was an elim in that game, but since no one is calling him out on that I'm going to assume that's not suspicious.

So, Stick. I can see why Elim!Stick would make the comment she did about planning, as it encourages undue paranoia, while her comment that she hadn't seen any sign of that yet should have stopped any of the planners from looking into stick's actions. When asked about how she could tell when an elim was 'contributing' to planning, she backpedaled and said that she was just generally paranoid of people suggesting plans. This still doesn't explain why she thought there had been no elim plan-contributions yet.

However, despite what I just pointed out about Stick, I'm going to vote on Hemalurgic_Headshot.

He stresses the importance of the lynch, then quotes Elenion to explain why stick is his greatest suspicion, but he doesn't actually vote. This to me looks like an elim trying to help the lynch of a villager along without actually exposing himself by voting or putting forward his own arguments. 

Vote tally:

(3) StrawSilverBlade5Amanuensis, BrightnessRadiantTheMightyLopen

(0) A Joe in the BushParanoid King,

(0) SeonidTheMightyLopen

(3) _Stick_OrlokTsubodaiParanoid KingElenion

(2) Silverblade5AmanuensisStraw,

(1) Hemalurgic_Headshot: Randuir

Fair enough. I was actually thinking of voting on you for being active without commenting on the lynch, but that's been remedied since I went to sleep, so there's not much need for me to prod you now. I would say @Straw is not usually this active, but as far as I'm concerned it's an improvement, so I'm happy to leave him be if he keeps it up (hint hint). I'm still waiting for @Silverblade5 to respond to my previous mentions of him. I'm more bothered now that he's been online and still hasn't answered, so for now I'm keeping my vote on him. There seems to be a reoccurring theme of eliminators ignoring questions I ask them, so that coupled with the fact he started the game off with a vote on a player who "wasn't trying to be helpful" and then disappearing completely...

And I've been ninja'd not just by Stick, but SB too, making a lot of what I typed so far moot. Silver, now that you've finished catching up, do you have any opinions on the players? Removing your vote on Straw just because he voted (for you, in fact) and not adding one to anyone else seems a little odd to me.

Anyway, regarding @Seonid, I'd also like to hear more. The issue I have with "watching and waiting" is that this is a team game. Everyone needs to participate to some degree, even if it doesn't seem like it benefits you much. Saying you're alive and aware doesn't really help anyone make an informed decision about you. I also find it weird that you haven't seen anything suspicious yet. Villagers do suspicious things all the time and get voted on for them. Multiple players have voted on others this game so far because of things they find suspicious. If you don't think their reasoning is valid, then can you explain why? Eliminators love to remain neutral as it's the safest way to keep them out of the spotlight while the lynch and their kill takes care of more dangerous villagers. What reason do I have to believe that's not what's happening? And in the event that you are a villager and genuinely don't think anyone who's been voted on is suspicious, what does sitting back and letting it happen accomplish? You giving your perspective on things could potentially save a villagers life. Honestly I'd vote on you now if I didn't want to hear more from Silverblade.

Back to my responce to Rand... honestly I'm not sure when Joe started doing massive quote posts. I know he did in LG31 for sure (as it's content was what tipped me off for him being evil) but I feel like he did it in LG30 too, before he went inactive. I didn't see anything particularly notable the first time I read it, but I need to go relieve one of my coworkers so he can eat breakfast, so I'll do it after I finish this post.

Stick I've got mixed feelings about but so far whenever I've seen a player say "lynch me" they've ended up villagers, so right now I'm leaning in that direction. @Hemalurgic_Headshot I've also been considering voting for with hopes of getting him more involved, so I might actually join you depending on what him, Silver and Seonid say now that Stick and I have posted.


C1 VotesThus Far

(2) StrawSilverBlade5Amanuensis, BrightnessRadiantTheMightyLopen

(0) A Joe in the BushParanoid King,

(0) SeonidTheMightyLopen

(3) _Stick_OrlokTsubodaiParanoid KingElenion

(2) Silverblade5AmanuensisStraw,

(1) Hemalurgic_Headshot: randuir

(1) Paranoid King_Stick_

 

 

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22 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

 

@Elenion, @_Stick_, @Darkness Ascendant, @Seonid, @Jondesu, @Hemalurgic_Headshot, @OrlokTsubodai, @A Joe in the Bush, @Ecthelion III, @Frozen Mint, @Paranoid King, @Ornstein, @randuir: we're nearing the 24 hour mark and most of you haven't participated in the lynch discussion at all. Why not? Do you have any thoughts on the players who have voted or been voted on so far? What about those who have posted while not getting involved? Are you not voting because you'd rather there not be a lynch?

I Haven't been voting because I prefer to see who gets killed on day 2 before voting.

 

12 hours ago, randuir said:

 

Most of the wild chalklings seemed to be occupied elsewhere in the camp, but Neil didn’t want to risk rushing out there on his own. If there were more of the monsters, he would get into serious trouble. He turned to the other two Rithmatists again. “The breach in the Circle needs to be sealed. I can do that, but I’m going to need someone to watch my back. Are you two with me?”

@Ornstein, @Elenion, you guys up for a mad dash to close the circle?

Conner looked at the man who had just yelled at me and called back,"Sure!" before letting more chalklings free. he closed up his defence and continued drawing. The chalklings he drew this time were knights with tower shields, for defense.  here released them with orders to go and clear a path for the other man to get to the break in the circle.   

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Apologies for the late start, but I was off at medical appointments yesterday and while I was able to read some of the thread, my mind wasn't clear enough to even consider posting. 

I haven't read every post in the thread yet, at least not in detail, but I've been looking over the suggested tactics, and I generally am both against any approach that requires claiming roles or publicly voting/choosing what people will do, and am wary of those that suggest those tactics.  Well-meaning villagers can certainly suggest such tactics, but often it can be Elims trying to get villagers to reveal information, of course.

The coin-flipping solution is definitely the most beneficial for the town without just leaving everything up to each villager's decision (I know I would probably want to tend towards using a special ability over a "generic" one like the Line of Warding, but if we all do that we're in big trouble), so I'll be following that approach myself. Artists and Duelists, make sure you see Aman's post about how you can confirm villagers (until the next conversion) and contact them, but otherwise, I don't think there's any roles that should be revealing themselves, at least for a while.  It's worth remembering that if I understand correctly, we're unlikely to have any conversions in the first two or three cycles (the third cycle is the first with a decent chance, it sounds like, but that would be at the end of the cycle I think), so we can trust any information we get early for a little while, and then need to exercise both caution and our deductive skills to watch for changes in gameplay (though I didn't get caught by a change of gameplay in LG32, so that's not a foolproof solution :ph34r:).  Best to assume that anyone you confirm villager is a likely convert, because it's like having a gun with a safety: the safety is always off.  Always treat it with caution and be safe.

I'll hopefully get some RP up in a little while and I'll see if I have a vote worth casting, which I think is important, but I'm not going to cast one until I can read the thread in a bit more detail to understand who's proposed each solution and supported them. I've got about 7 hours I believe, which should be plenty of time for both, and I'll prioritize the vote of course.

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Okay Stick, defense excepted. Thank you for defending yourself. 

@Amanuensis, @randuir, do you want me to just vote on someone? I have waited so I can pull together something more significant than a random vote, but if you will pester me on it, then I'll just join a bandwagon.

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@Hemalurgic_Headshot, just skimming the thread, and will have a longer post as soon as I can, but in my mind, a reasoned and thought through vote before the end of the cycle is far, far more valuable than a bandwagoning vote. What information does a random vote give us? Substantiated votes tell us about the thoughts of the player making them, which we can use to construct a picture of their innocence or guilt.

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5 minutes ago, Hemalurgic_Headshot said:

Okay Stick, defense excepted. Thank you for defending yourself. 

@Amanuensis, @randuir, do you want me to just vote on someone? I have waited so I can pull together something more significant than a random vote, but if you will pester me on it, then I'll just join a bandwagon.

I don't think you absolutely have to vote on someone (in C1). However, if you state that you are very suspicious of someone, but don't follow it up with a vote, it stands out.

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18 minutes ago, OrlokTsubodai said:

@Hemalurgic_Headshot, just skimming the thread, and will have a longer post as soon as I can, but in my mind, a reasoned and thought through vote before the end of the cycle is far, far more valuable than a bandwagoning vote. What information does a random vote give us? Substantiated votes tell us about the thoughts of the player making them, which we can use to construct a picture of their innocence or guilt.

Exactly. This is why I haven't voted yet.

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Apologies, all. I've had a horrific journey home, and need to work on rollover for LG32. Thoughts are unlikely to be up before then.

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I just finished reviewing the thread, paying particular attention to Straw and Silverblade's posts. Straw had a worse gut read that Silver, mainly because of short posts with little explanation. I would have liked more elaboration. I will vote Straw right now, even though that ties the lynch. I suggest that those who have not voted yet do so, so that the lynch isn't wasted, and at least you are participating enough to vote.

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Thank you Silverblade5.

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