Calderis Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, ZenBossanova said: I wonder if Harmonium is chemically separable into Preservation and Ruin parts. If it is, that would be a real game changer. The South Scadrians might not have seen that, because they are less advanced technologically. I disagree completely. The Northerners seem to be approaching our industrial revolution and may have tech we are more familiar with, but the Southern Scadrians are leaps ahead technologically. They are exploring via flight and using metallic arts to drive their technology. They have to have some level of metallurgy to make the medallions, so we know they have some traditional tech too. But by Harmonies thought process that he's made things too easy for the Elendel basin because "others" have done so much with less... The southerners have to be doing pretty well for themselves. Edit: I strongly doubt that Ettmetal can be reduced down to Lerasium and Atium. If it can Sazed reworking the Metalic Arts so there are no Mistborn goes out the window. Edited April 7, 2017 by Calderis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenBossanova Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 6 minutes ago, Calderis said: I disagree completely. The Northerners seem to be approaching our industrial revolution and may have tech we are more familiar with, but the Southern Scadrians are leaps ahead technologically. They are exploring via flight and using metallic arts to drive their technology. They have to have some level of metallurgy to make the medallions, so we know they have some traditional tech too. But by Harmonies thought process that he's made things too easy for the Elendel basin because "others" have done so much with less... The southerners have to be doing pretty well for themselves. That is probably correct, and too easy to hope for, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pagerunner Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 1 hour ago, ZenBossanova said: I wonder if Harmonium is chemically separable into Preservation and Ruin parts. If it is, that would be a real game changer. The South Scadrians might not have seen that, because they are less advanced technologically. Strictly speaking, no, harmonium can't be separated chemically. It contains influence from both Shards in a single atom. Chemistry, by definition, does not involve splitting the atom; that's the realm of nuclear physics. Now that we've got our terminology straightened out... I suspect that a harmonium atom is indeed a nuclear combination of atium and lerasium. But any mechanism to split the atom would destabilize the Investiture, and you'd be left with regular elements, no special Realmatics. But that's just my intuition as someone who's been at the forefront of this topic, so I'm not saying it's impossible. 1 hour ago, Calderis said: Edit: I strongly doubt that Ettmetal can be reduced down to Lerasium and Atium. If it can Sazed reworking the Metalic Arts so there are no Mistborn goes out the window. I don't think Sazed intentionally wrote Mistborn out of the population; one of the first things he did as Harmony was to turn Spook into a full Mistborn. It's a natural genetic progression; lerasium introduces Mistborn to the gene pool, which slowly dilute until you get weak Mistborn, which dilute until you get only Mistings, which dilute until you get no more Allomancy. That, and the genetic interaction with Feruchemical genes (which had previously been confined to a single population that didn't breed with the Allomantic populace), changed how Allomancy manifested. I don't see any reason to think Sazed decided that there shouldn't be any more Mistborn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenBossanova Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 42 minutes ago, Pagerunner said: Strictly speaking, no, harmonium can't be separated chemically. It contains influence from both Shards in a single atom. Chemistry, by definition, does not involve splitting the atom; that's the realm of nuclear physics. Now that we've got our terminology straightened out... I suspect that a harmonium atom is indeed a nuclear combination of atium and lerasium. But any mechanism to split the atom would destabilize the Investiture, and you'd be left with regular elements, no special Realmatics. But that's just my intuition as someone who's been at the forefront of this topic, so I'm not saying it's impossible. That is, if we know it is an element. It could be the metals of Ruin and Preservation, covalently bonded strong enough that it appears to be an element. I don't honestly believe that is what we have going on here, but it is a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, ZenBossanova said: That is, if we know it is an element. It could be the metals of Ruin and Preservation, covalently bonded strong enough that it appears to be an element. I don't honestly believe that is what we have going on here, but it is a possibility. You should check out Pagerunner's "Chemistry of God Metals" thread. Anything that has been asked there will have been answered for you so we don't repeat it, and any new things could go into either topic. It's a fun learning experience Also, I'm pretty sure that if the instability is due to the uneven number of R-electrons vs P-electrons, then it stands to reason it's an element, as I think bonds try to remove the instability, not be a source of it. (My opinion, if I'm wrong so be it, long as I get corrected) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voiceless One Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 On 4/6/2017 at 8:43 PM, Pagerunner said: I suspect that a harmonium atom is indeed a nuclear combination of atium and lerasium. But any mechanism to split the atom would destabilize the Investiture, and you'd be left with regular elements, no special Realmatics. As @Spoolofwhool said earlier, it is the structure that maters. the source is http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=636/#4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Bookwyrm Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 Most likely, if harmonium is a combination of lerasium and atium, then if it was used in a nuclear reaction, it would most likely be a nuclear fission (since its probably heavier than iron 56, the key isotope of iron), where, when hit by a proton, the harmonium will split into lerasium, atium, some heat and three protons. These protons set off three more reactions, which set off three more reactions each., setting of a huge chain reaction. The fission could be used to get some lerasium and atium, but it could have been destroyed in the blast. However, on a smaller scale, it could be used to get small amounts of lerasium and atium, so the metals may not be lost forever (yay!). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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