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I decided today, after weeks of thinking on it, that Sigzil is a Terrisman worldhopper. I'll just throw my thoughts out here quickly.

- Sigzil is Hoid's apprentice. Hoid is a known worldhopper. 

- Sigzil's name is very close to another Terrisman we are familiar with. Hint: it is Sazed. I don't recall there being any rules on Terrisman names being similar, but it is noticeable, so I stuck it on. I think they also have a similar skin tone. 

- Sigzil displays (what I believe to be) Terris-like behavior as he is one of very few bridgemen who was fully clean shaven even before Rock had his razor. It's not great evidence, but the fact that Brandon goes out of his way to single out Sigzil in that makes me feel like it is on purpose. 

- Sigzil clearly has a hunger for knowldege. We know him to be a "Worldsinger" and have an understanding for many many Rosharan cultures and locations. There is also the scene when Kaladin is explaining what he can do with Stormlight where Sigzil spouts of around 8 questions rapid fire - very scholarly details that would be more like specific measurements than any of the others probably care to know (in context the others are asking him if he can fly, and Sigzil wants to know measurements on the things Kaladin has already said, like how long bonds hold).

Maybe the most important to me:

-Sigzil's voice in the audiobook, voiced by Michael Kramer, is identical to Kramer's Terrisman voice. I know it is going to be a big series and he will have to reuse several voices, but it is identical. Like, sometimes I think Sazed is speaking. That won't sound like much to many people, but Kramer also used Sazed's voice Sazed's notes at the start of each Mistborn HoA chapter. In all honesty, it ruined the surprise for me a tad, which I'm fine with, but it does show that he is willing to use the proper accent even if it is telling. I think Brandon told him to use a Terris accent for Sigzil on purpose. 


I could use some help on this theory if anyone has any proof of any of those similarities or anything that goes against them. It's something that has been on my mind personally but I haven't done a ton of research on. 

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You make some good arguments there, it is possible. And I must note that the first time I listened to WoK, I though Kramer said "worldbringer" when mentioning Sigzil...gave me a double take until I realized the word was actually "worldsinger"...afterall, why would a pre-ascension Terris worldbringer be doing on Roshar, especially in Bridge 4?

 

Did Brandon make those names so similar on purpose? hmm...

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You make some good arguments there, it is possible. And I must note that the first time I listened to WoK, I though Kramer said "worldbringer" when mentioning Sigzil...gave me a double take until I realized the word was actually "worldsinger"...afterall, why would a pre-ascension Terris worldbringer be doing on Roshar, especially in Bridge 4?

 

Did Brandon make those names so similar on purpose? hmm...

He wasn't supposed to be in Bridge 4 it seems. He mentions that Hoid believed him dead (Hoid brings it up too), so I imagine his plans went to hell somewhere, and that is why he is in that situation. It may have been an accident initially, but then Hoid intentionally left Sigzil in Bridge 4 when they realized what Kaladin was doing. 

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Nice theory.  Unfortunately we have a WoB disproves it.

 

 

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Is Sigzil, as Hoid's apprentice, Rosharan?
Brandon Sanderson

He is from Roshar.

Herowannabe

Has Hoid taken him to other worlds?

Brandon Sanderson

No, Sig hasn't visited any other worlds.

 

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Nice theory.  Unfortunately we have a WoB disproves it.

 

 

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Hah! thank you weiry! Man, that is disappointing. More because Kramer had to use his Terris voice where it is unnecessary...

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Hi, long time reader, first time writing:

I was thinking something similar to the OP recently, but was wondering if it isn't something more ancient-historical.

Based on the following two facts, is it not possible that, at some point long ago, Terris culture crossed from Scadrial to Roshar, with Worldsingers being the Rosharan "branch" of the Worldbringers?

1) Realmatic theory was a part of the Terris religion (WoB: http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=977#182)

2) Worldsingers and Worldbringers are more closely related than having similar names (http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/1308-hoid-founded-the-worldsingers-and-worldbringers/#comment-22043)

Regarding 1), does an institutionalised recognition of the cognitive realm not suggest knowledge of its uses, such as Worldhopping*?

Regarding 2), this has been theorised to be referring to Hoid's involvement in/founding of both, but I have not seen this confirmed anywhere.

Such an ancient inter-wolrd migration could explain the cultural and physical similarities noted in the OP (as well as others, such as Sigzil memorizing the words of Elohkar's [Dalinar's] proclamation in WoR chap.5 by repeating them), without requiring Sigzil himself to have Worldhopped.

Points against this theory:

  • Pre-Ascension Terris culture had no known reason to make eunuchs of their Worldbringers, so this should not explain Sigzils lack of beard or (probably referring to him) arms-too-long-for-his-body.  Unless: this was an unknown trait of the Terris even prior to their treatment under the Lord Ruler; Sigzil was, "coincidently," made a eunuch for reasons specific to his personal history (allowing Brandon to leave these similarities with Sazed as hints).
  • Where are the Rosharan Feruchemists? As it is usually a fairly subtle magic, and the Rosharan peoples seem to enjoy keeping things from each other, maybe it is simply a secret.  Perhaps it has been lost.

 

*This ties into a wider theme of Lost Knowledge in the Cosmere (pre-ascension Terris religion, the 5 Scholars, the Elantris libraries, every pre-Desolation civilisation) that I have not seen mentioned much, though my research has been far from extensive.  Worldhopping seems to have been known about, or at least theorised, on most worlds seen, but this knowledge has been lost (or hidden) sometime prior to the first book on each.

 

Edit: Apologies for thread necromancy, when there are other more recent related threads.  I got to this one via google, and is the closest related to what I thought.

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On 1/27/2014 at 11:23 AM, WeiryWriter said:

Nice theory.  Unfortunately we have a WoB disproves it.

 

 

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To go along with that sigzil get really bitter when rock mentions hoid coming out of a shard pool.

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If that was citing Weiry to say my theory is disproved by WoB, I don't see how that source does so. If Sigzil is a descendant of Terris Worldbringers that hopped to Roshar pre-ascension, he would be 30th-generation Rosharan, approximately, and wouldn't have worldhopped himself.

 

Also, if you argue that the question could mean, "Does he have solely Rosharan (spiritual) DNA?" then note the phrasing of the answer: Not "Yes", but the more specific "He is from Roshar."

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@Krandacth Another possibility could be that both the Terris people and the Azish stem from the same population originally from Yolen and were brought to all of these planets shortly after the Shattering by the original migration of the Shards. I'm not sure how their accents could have survived 10-11k years of linguistic development to stay the same, but I don't think it really matters.

Another small thing of interest, apropos of nothing, is how vehemently Sigzil resists being called a storyteller when his master, Hoid, is all about stories. Strange, and potentially telling, dichotomy that.

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@zeppomarks True, though I don't know what the stance is on Yolish (or other) populations gaining access to a planets magic system, when they seem to be "baked in" to newly created human populations or "gifted" only to specific individuals. Does their sDNA get over-written by the proximity of a Shard first investing in a planet, perhaps?

And yes, that is an interesting distinction, and one that a Keeper (so, potentially, a Worldbringer) would definitely make. I'm not sure if this is important, or just a way to indicate that while Hoid is in both groups, he is not properly aligned with either. Which very much fits his character in general.

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Could be that Yolish children born (or perhaps conceived) on a new-to-them planet gain access to that planet's magic systems.  So their parents may not (or may need to hack it), but maybe their children become native magic users.

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