Xaladin

Change for the sake of change

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WHY????

It is SO annoying when websites do this. All of the buttons, menus, and bars move all over the place and by the time I get used to it it changes AGAIN. You just barely changed the 17th shard interface and you just had to do it again after what, 2 months? At this rate I will always be fighting with how to use the site.

Go ahead and downvote me like you did last time I complained about this. Let the downvotes FLOW. I am not ashamed of my frustration.

If I may say one thing I LIKE about this website it is that it isn't littered with ads (at least not outside of advertising Sanderson books of course).

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The site changes are (in my opinion) what keeps the site fresh. The updates contain new artwork, forums, and features that massively improve the quality of the site.

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There was a recent change? What did change?

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On 8/15/2016 at 0:43 PM, Xaladin said:

WHY????

It is SO annoying when websites do this. All of the buttons, menus, and bars move all over the place and by the time I get used to it it changes AGAIN. You just barely changed the 17th shard interface and you just had to do it again after what, 2 months? At this rate I will always be fighting with how to use the site.

We have made no structural changes to the buttons, menus, or bars since the upgrade a couple months ago.

On 8/15/2016 at 0:43 PM, Xaladin said:

If I may say one thing I LIKE about this website it is that it isn't littered with ads.

Welcome to the internet, where ads are what pays the bills. I like sites that aren't littered with ads too, but unfortunately, none of the administration is independently wealthy, and running a site costs a good amount of time and money. We need the site to be able to pay for itself, and with any luck, pay us a bit for the time that we put into it. So, unless you want memberships to have to be a paid subscription (which I consider unacceptable at this time when ads are an option), we're going to have to implement ads. Which is something we're currently working on.

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There have been actually no changes to the site since the big update in June. I am very curious as to what you think did change? I mean the mobile site and desktop sites do have a bit different structure but I worked hard so that there was a lot of consistency between the two areas.

As Josh said there will be ads but the reason that that is taking a long time--at significant cost to us (particularly me)--is because we want to make them relevant and unobtrusive. Obviously we will never have pop-up ads or any number of horrible things.

I would also say that instead of raging you could ask where to find a certain thing. Trust me I get frustrated by some stuff too but usually the answer is very simple. In this scenario, the thing you're looking for maybe was just not something you considered in the big site update in June. Nothing has changed to navigation, either top level navigation or forum navigation. So if you have specific questions, I'm happy to answer. If you want to falsely rage, I supposed you can but that seems fruitless.

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I almost didn't post this since I consider everybody here friends, but unfortunately the Truth is my greater friend, so I will now reveal to everyone what just happened, even though that will probably get this post deleted and me banned from the site.

Here is what happened in chronological order:

1. 17th shard admins changed the interface again about a week ago. Enough change that there was difficulty finding things again.

2. I made this thread.

3. The admins quickly changed the interface back.

4. The admins pretended, quite emphatically, there never was the change.

5. The admins accuse me of falsely raging. Who here is being false? Hmm?

Do what you will with the site, it's small stuff, really (and yes, I have programming experience so I know what work you do). But please don't lie and then accuse me of lying. That is very offensive.

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Xaladin, can you please not accuse me of some malicious intent? I can swear upon you that I did not do anything to change the site interface, and I'm genuinely confused as to how it possibly COULD have changed. 

I'm not trying to hide anything from you. I had no motive to change the UI, which would cause a lot of effort upon my part, and certainly would have required me to make some notice to make huge changes (as there would have been downtime.)

I don't know how I can possibly prove to you that I have, in fact, done absolutely nothing on the site for quite some time. I think there may be some kind of mistake? If some error happened that made the site load weird (which is possible!) or maybe you went to some weird area of the site that wasn't the main IPS install (also possible), then obviously I'd like to know so I can fix it.

I am frankly offended that you can't take my word that nothing happened. Again, that would be totally pointless for me to secretly hide some new site design. I can make site designs hidden from regular members, so if it was on my testbed you would not have seen it. If it wasn't ready, I wouldn't have made it live. I like this version of the site after having put a crap ton of hours in it, and I really don't want to do a redesign on it for many years now.

Having said all that, it truly makes no sense to me that you are throwing up these accusations, because it doesn't even make sense for me to do what you say I did. If the site design did change, I certainly would expect many people who log onto the site much more than me to corroborate. If anyone does, can you post here to corroborate?

I'm just saying. If I made a site design and changed stuff on the live site, why would I have any motivation to try and hide it from members? I make no secret that I have screwed up when doing site work (remember the awards system? It broke because I'm an idiot). If what you're saying did occur, I totally would have just said, "Oops I made a mistake, pay no mind to the person holding the Well of Ascension and he broke some things...". I'm just... I'm very confused. If what you're saying is true and that i covered it up, this is by far the lamest conspiracy theory ever.

I would like to figure out what happen, but I can promise you I made absolutely no layout changes to the site. If you remember when you logged on to see this different layout I could do some digging in error logs or other things to try and explain it. Screenshots would also help if you had them.

I would appreciate if we could be mature and say that, hey, maybe you saw weirdness, but you also understand that maybe it was a bug, and definitely not intentional on my part. 

You have to understand that from my point of view I read this thread and literally do not understand how the site design could have changed, and if so, how only one person noticed it. We have made smaller changes and I've seen a ton of regulars in the General Discussion board notice it instantly. Maybe this is just a weird mistake. 

But I promise you, I literally have not done site work since June. I don't know how to say this without sounding somewhat snarky (and it is not my intent to do so), but would you like a large itemized list of 17S stuff I need to do but haven't done? It is very long, and design work thankfully is nowhere on that list.

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I visit the shard every day and I haven't seen any changes recently. There are two versions of the interface,  one for desktop and one for mobile. Try resizing your browser window to see it change, maybe that's the whole source of the confusion?

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Okay, guys, let get some facts here before we start dishing dirt again.

@Xaladin, could you please describe what changed and how? I assume you have no screenshots, as you would have posted them by now.

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I would love to see screenshots, for sure, if you made them.

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When I created the thread, I was expressing an annoyance I knew would be unpopular, but it wasn't intended to be an accusation. Thus, I do not have any screenshots.

What I remember is that the picture at the top was a lot thinner, and there were less buttons up there. There was no way to see the chain of nested topics (which is very convenient for navigating the forums) as there is now. The buttons now on the top right were accessible in a dropdown menu (I just had to find it: it was not labelled). For a couple of days, that was what I saw in both tablet mode and desktop mode. Now I don't see that-- I see the same thing as what started in June, in both tablet and desktop mode. I do not have access to other "modes" if they exist. The way it is works fine: it is easier to use than what I saw for those couple of days .

When it changed back and I started receiving accusations (or perhaps those were not meant to be accusations either), it looked an awful lot like what I described above was happening. I didn't know who was actually to "blame" however, so I just blamed the "admins."

At this point, I don't think it was Chaos. I do think something funny is (or was) going on. The change didn't seem the result of a bug. I do hope it was only misunderstanding. It doesn't make sense for there to be nasty stuff happening on a fansite.

I am sorry for any undue accusations (probably all of them: I was probably in the wrong. If there is some form of hacking or nasty stuff, that is where I leave accusations). Hopefully the Shard of Friendship was not Shattered in the process.

EDIT: mystery solved. It is the resizing of the window. I am a noob.

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Hey, I really appreciate your apology and it is absolutely accepted. Josh and I's comments were not meant to be accusations; we were just very confused because we didn't do anything on the site, and you came along very aggressively in your initial post.

Ah so you got the tablet site instead of the desktop. This is much less worrying to me. The only thing I can think of is that perhaps your window or something was sized weirdly so you got the tablet view? That doesn't totally hold up if you always keep your browser sized exactly the same. But if you resize your browser past a threshold you would get the tablet view. So you can absolutely get the tablet view on desktop depending on the sizing; it is a responsive design. But if you kept your browser the same size... I don't know, I'm not sure.

EDIT: Let me know if I misinterpreted what you meant of course.

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I was a noob.

The upcoming election has also been putting me on edge. I will now direct my anger to where it belongs.

I am sorry.

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7 minutes ago, Xaladin said:

I was a noob.

The upcoming election has also been putting me on edge. I will now direct my anger to where it belongs.

I am sorry.

Well, I definitely empathize with that there. I read too much political news and it can be taxing on sanity.

No worries dude. Again if you see things that are weird do feel free to mention it and I'll look into it :)

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