shadowwisp Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 Instead of the Lifeless being a dull grey, would it be a bright white due to the Perfect Invocation ability? Would it be any different than a regular Lifeless? Any speculation/WoB on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eki Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 Possibly Kalad's Phantoms were made while Vasher held the Treasure, and they are grey as far as I know. But then again it might just be the bones inside them that are Awakened... I think this question is on the "official" list of questions for Brandon though, so maybe someone will ask it at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 I think I saw that question already. Hm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowwisp Posted April 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 I think I saw that question already. Hm. Saw it answered or just the question? Maybe I'm blind but I couldn't find it on the official list of questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemalurgist Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 I thought Kalads phantoms were lifeless made of bones, but placed inside of stone. If this is the case just because the stone statues were grey doesn't mean that the lifeless bones will be grey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of nowhere Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 on the other hand, bones are white (or a very pale grey) anyway, so not much way to discover it. Something we must ask brandon, definitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skaa Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 (edited) This was one of the questions I asked Brandon last year during his Reddit AMA. He didn't answer it, though.Here are my own thoughts about it. Edited April 18, 2016 by skaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 One could also speculate that the Lifeless could be imprinted with a security phrase that might be unbreakable due to the the strength of a 10th Heightening Awakener. Perhaps even the Lifeless would be able to respond to commands faster, or be able to follow more complex commands, more powerful in general? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Awekening uses color like fuel...therefore draining more color I suppose give to the create Liveless more "efficience".Maybe the Command works better and you have need to use less breath or maybe your White Lifeless may keep moving for more time after being hurted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle of the Forest Path Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Maybe the Command works better and you have need to use less breath ... Less than 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Less than 1? In the end...Yes. Of course is impossible to give less than a Breath, but this mean that the "extra piece of Breath" is a surplus to the Lifeless and may be "spent" in other way that the average gray lifeless. We saw on Cloud that extra Breaths give to the Lifeless more Cognitive abilities and better past life experience, maybe in the same way a White Lifeless has more of his previous skill and when hurt He may resist better and longer before He need a new Breath. Of course this is just a my Speculation, I have no proofs, just some clue based on Clod and some Denth dialogue about Lifeless (and He may be lie) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landis963 Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 I don't believe it is impossible to give less than a Breath. Remember, the mindwipe command Vasher gave to the little girl worked, and she only had one Breath to give. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 I don't believe it is impossible to give less than a Breath. Remember, the mindwipe command Vasher gave to the little girl worked, and she only had one Breath to give. If the Breath are a discrete amount, it's impossible to split it. And I have to re-read the scene, but I remember that Vasher uses a Breath from his reserve, not the Girl's one. But in the end, we don't know if the Breath are a discrete amount, therefore is possible to move less than a single breath maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landis963 Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 If the Breath are a discrete amount, it's impossible to split it. And I have to re-read the scene, but I remember that Vasher uses a Breath from his reserve, not the Girl's one. But in the end, we don't know if the Breath are a discrete amount, therefore is possible to move less than a single breath maybe Vasher told the girl that he was going to say something, and that she needed to repeat it and mean it. (Also Vivenna needed to step out of earshot) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Vasher told the girl that he was going to say something, and that she needed to repeat it and mean it. (Also Vivenna needed to step out of earshot) Yeah I remember this, but we don't know if Vasher give to her a Breath before, or in the end you may probably have right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landis963 Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Yeah I remember this, but we don't know if Vasher give to her a Breath before, or in the end you may probably have right Vivenna had her aura sense. She'd have been able to tell (especially since the girl definitely didn't have any extra Breaths before the rescue), and while she was looking did note that Denth had lied to her (which at that point was less of a shocker that it perhaps could have been). Therefore, what she saw going on during the girl's mindwipe ran counter to how Denth described having Breaths. Ergo, the only logical conclusion is that the girl only had one Breath when she spoke the command to remove her own memory of the kidnap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle of the Forest Path Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) If the girl used her own breath for the mindwipe, logically she would have Awakened (or whatever you call it) herself. She'd have given her Breath to herself, so obviously she'd still have it. It'd be getting something for nothing though, so it's not Realmatics-consistent. Just putting it out there. Edited April 22, 2016 by EagleOfTheForestPath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Well, something will probably drain of color obviously, so there's that. Awakening is somewhat of a low-expenditure technique since the breath persists for years even if you do something with it, and in this case you're not even animating anything, just altering memories. Feruchemists can lose memories without much trouble, and since memories in the physical are basically neuron connections it's not too far beyond the level of changing your hair color at will, which would require altering the chemical structure of your pigmentation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyman Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 If the girl used her own breath for the mindwipe, logically she would have Awakened (or whatever you call it) herself. She'd have given her Breath to herself, so obviously she'd still have it. It'd be getting something for nothing though, so it's not Realmatics-consistent. Just putting it out there. The book seems to imply that there are "internal breath" commands which can modify your own, single breath. Vasher offers this kind of thing to Denth as well. The mechanics of this are unclear, at best. We don't know if it involves color being drained. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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