Charlie.x.3000 Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Seriously, Sazed, you had a DAY worth of speed stored up, and you wasted it... To run to Luthedel. You couldn't just find a horse or something? ***Rant over*** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Um, yes. Kind of hard in a barren wasteland. Horses ain't gonna be cheap in such a screwed up ecosystem I'd reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugsy Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Plus, keep in mind that in the aftermath of the Collapse, it's likely that food became so scarce very few horses survived anyways. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of nowhere Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 but yeah, it was a waste. sazed did not realize the power of steel. he did not realize the power of feruchemy in general. as you can see, brandon fully realizes how powerful Feruchemical steel really is, and every time he writes a major fight, he takes it away from the characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Well you have to realize that he was more the bookish type, as a Keeper. He wouldn't test the combat applications of feruchemy, because up until the books he's had no need to. It's mostly been circumstances thrusting combat upon him. Him not being a warrior is in the Hero of Ages prophecies actually, IIRC. So it's actually important that he didn't understand these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baby Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Getting to Luthadel was more important than saving up his steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaymyth Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Horses are actually quite fragile, considering how strong they are. They're living, breathing creatures with limited stamina reserves. You run one that hard for that long, there's a 100% chance that horse is going to be dead or broken at the end, assuming it even makes the entire trip without collapsing. You don't want to be riding a horse when it collapses from exhaustion; it's a bad plan. For that matter, Sazed almost certainly made the trip faster than a horse could have. Also consider: to use speed in a combat situation safely would require a great deal of practice and fighting skill. Granted, Saze could strengthen himself with stored pewter as well, which makes him a more dangerous opponent than a straight Steelrunner, but he would have to have sufficient reserves of both attributes in order to be combat-effective, and even then the amount of strength he'd have to tap would increase his muscle size as to reduce his dexterity considerably. Shadows of Self spoilers: I still maintain that Bleeder got away with as many steel shenanigans as she did because she's a kandra, and thus much more resilient than a human. Combat maneuvers she could pull off would leave a normal human with crippling injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landis963 Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Shadows of Self spoilers: I still maintain that Bleeder got away with as many steel shenanigans as she did because she's a kandra, and thus much more resilient than a human. Combat maneuvers she could pull off would leave a normal human with crippling injuries. Bands Of Mourning spoilers: Except that Marasi pulled off steel shenanigans as egregious or more so than Bleeder did, and there was no mention of injuries sustained by moving fast enough to leave behind pockets of vacuum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 BoM spoilers When you're basically The Lord Ruler I don't think mortal problems really bother you as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your3rdShadow Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 BoM spoilers When you're basically The Lord Ruler I don't think mortal problems really bother you as much. Agreed, don't forget the Bands have gold in em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Bard Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Agreed, don't forget the Bands have gold in em. And pewter (Feruchemical pewter also stores strength/physical resilience, IIRC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landis963 Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Agreed, don't forget the Bands have gold in em. And pewter (Feruchemical pewter also stores strength/physical resilience, IIRC). Bands Of Mourning spoilers: No mention of tapping (or compounding) gold, no mention of tapping (or burning/compounding) pewter. Marasi taps speed to get her metals from the mooks, and uses Steelpushes to take them out. Admittedly, those things might have bogged down the climactic nature of Marasi using the Bands, but not breaking your arm against a stiff breeze might be a required secondary power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of nowhere Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Bands Of Mourning spoilers: No mention of tapping (or compounding) gold, no mention of tapping (or burning/compounding) pewter. Marasi taps speed to get her metals from the mooks, and uses Steelpushes to take them out. Admittedly, those things might have bogged down the climactic nature of Marasi using the Bands, but not breaking your arm against a stiff breeze might be a required secondary power. More BoM spoilers (sorry for those who'll see the entire thread as made of spoilers) the book says that marasi grabbed the bands "and she tapped everything" . but just in case, someone must ask if not breaking your arms/burning up for friction as a result of steelrunning is a required secondary power or if it is just caused by the specific characters we've seen doing that having ways to cope with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of nowhere Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Bands Of Mourning spoilers: No mention of tapping (or compounding) gold, no mention of tapping (or burning/compounding) pewter. Marasi taps speed to get her metals from the mooks, and uses Steelpushes to take them out. Admittedly, those things might have bogged down the climactic nature of Marasi using the Bands, but not breaking your arm against a stiff breeze might be a required secondary power. More BoM spoilers (sorry for those who'll see the entire thread as made of spoilers) the book says that marasi grabbed the bands "and she tapped everything" . but just in case, someone must ask if not breaking your arms/burning up for friction as a result of steelrunning is a required secondary power or if it is just caused by the specific characters we've seen doing that having ways to cope with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoAjah Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Not everything is about combat- Saze wasn't expecting to fight himself and getting to Luthadel was a priority for him. Without the retrospectoscope, I don't see that you can say Saze wasted his Steel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeromancer Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 Force = mass x acceleration. Steel is not that useful for an unarmed Sazed in a fistfight, more then either strength or iron for that matter. Also, superfast mortal fist = broken bones, something that Sazed bashing people with books using pewter doesn't worry about. I'd rather pewter in a fight over steel, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaymyth Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 (edited) Bands Of Mourning spoilers: No mention of tapping (or compounding) gold, no mention of tapping (or burning/compounding) pewter. Marasi taps speed to get her metals from the mooks, and uses Steelpushes to take them out. Admittedly, those things might have bogged down the climactic nature of Marasi using the Bands, but not breaking your arm against a stiff breeze might be a required secondary power. Right; I just checked the book, she did indeed tap everything. And she had just grabbed all of the metal vials in reach and downed them, so she had quite a bit of Allomancy active as well as Feruchemy. If some of those mooks weren't carrying pewter shavings, I'd be very surprised. Force = mass x acceleration. Steel is not that useful for an unarmed Sazed in a fistfight, more then either strength or iron for that matter. Also, superfast mortal fist = broken bones, something that Sazed bashing people with books using pewter doesn't worry about. I'd rather pewter in a fight over steel, actually. Right. And note that Marasi wasn't using her speed to actually hit people. She wound up pounding on them quite effectively with Allomantic steel and iron. There's a huge leap from moving quickly through air resistance to punching someone in the face with Feruchemical speed. The latter is just as likely to shatter your own hand. Edited March 29, 2016 by Kaymyth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie.x.3000 Posted March 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 (edited) Okay guys... but you do realize Mr. Sanderson changed a lot of things in later books. In the Well of Ascension (That's the middle book I hope) , when Sazed taps a bunch of iron at the end of the book to hold the Gate shut against the Koloss, it says that he needed pewter or else he would have broken bones for tapping so much weight. This obviously wasn't an issue in later books. Edited March 29, 2016 by Charlie.x.3000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 Okay guys... but you do realize Mr. Sanderson changed a lot of things in later books. In the Well of Ascension (That's the middle book I hope) , when Sazed taps a bunch of iron at the end of the book to hold the Gate shut against the Koloss, it says that he needed pewter or else he would have broken bones for tapping so much weight. This obviously wasn't an issue in later books. it's possible that Sazed was wrong, He probably didn't use often his own abilities and quite never to fight context... Sazed isn't any kind of warrior, for the whole trilogy we never saw a Feruchemist Warrior (and to be honest with the bloodline mixing we never see it neither in the future). I am with the one who think that F-Speed (alone) is more limitated than many though (starting with the difficoult to store it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of nowhere Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 I'd rather pewter in a fight over steel, actually. I disagree with that. sure, if i punch you with full steel speed i shatter my hand, but i can just use my superior speed to dodge your attacks and punch you softly with steel speed - which equates to a good punch at normal speed. Or, better, i could use my speed to stick a finger in your eyes. The advantage of speed is not about hitting stronger, it is about hitting without being hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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