Shig Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 I think Ruin and Endowment would be more likely to fall under Sacrifice (Change and loss to enable giving to others). I think Honor and Endowment would likely be Fealty (Giving due diligence and respect to superiors). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erandeni Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 I think Odium+Dominium would something like Tyranny, while Ambition+Dominium would be Conquest. Endowment+Devotion something like Altruism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted August 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 You know there's a spreadsheet linked in the first post you're supposed to add your propositions in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shig Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 27 minutes ago, Oversleep said: You know there's a spreadsheet linked in the first post you're supposed to add your propositions in? Yeah, I thought I had added them, must have been in offline mode, oops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted August 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 11 hours ago, Nathrangking said: Endowment+Cultivation= Creation The ability to grant something plus the ability to maintain would be a perfect world quality of creation. I am not sold on that. Cultivation is more of positive change, while in reality things can not change or be destroyed. I proposed Cultivation + Ruin = Change and Cultivation + Ruin + Preservation = Existence. Adding Endowment into this this could be Creation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shig Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Oversleep said: I am not sold on that. Cultivation is more of positive change, while in reality things can not change or be destroyed. I proposed Cultivation + Ruin = Change and Cultivation + Ruin + Preservation = Existence. Adding Endowment into this this could be Creation. Perhaps Cultivation+Endowment would be closer to Nurture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathrangking Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Oversleep said: I am not sold on that. Cultivation is more of positive change, while in reality things can not change or be destroyed. I proposed Cultivation + Ruin = Change and Cultivation + Ruin + Preservation = Existence. Adding Endowment into this this could be Creation. Your point is well taken. @Oversleep keeping that in mind I have a new possible shard charity. Edited August 24, 2017 by Nathrangking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoids Imaginary Friend Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 (edited) Ok... ** takes deep breath ** Honor / preservation - order Honer / ruin - chaos X3 bonus - honor / ruin / preservation - entropy Cultivation / odium - vengeance Cultivation/ honor - virtuous X3 bonus - cultivation / honor / odium - justice ** darth vadar music ** Odium / ruin - the death star!! Sry couldnt help myself there.. im going with - Destruction Im inclined to agree that theres more to it and due to unkown factors the same 2 shards could potentially merge into different double shards depending on.. unkown factors, like maybe connection, identity or location, etc. E.g. if kel was to somehow hold preservation and get his hands on ruin would he become harmony or something else? With this logic in mind we could conclude that we are all right with our descrepencies between our guesses!! Hazzaaa!! !~ HIF ~! Edited August 24, 2017 by Hoids Imaginary Friend Spelling spacing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkness Ascendant Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 27 minutes ago, Hoids Imaginary Friend said: Ok... ** takes deep breath ** Honor / preservation - order Honer / ruin - chaos X3 bonus - honor / ruin / preservation - entropy Cultivation / odium - vengeance Cultivation/ honor - virtuous X3 bonus - cultivation / honor / odium - justice ** darth vadar music ** Odium / ruin - the death star!! Sry couldnt help myself there.. im going with - Destruction Im inclined to agree that theres more to it and due to unkown factors the same 2 shards could potentially merge into different double shards depending on.. unkown factors, like maybe connection, identity or location, etc. E.g. if kel was to somehow hold preservation and get his hands on ruin would he become harmony or something else? With this logic in mind we could conclude that we are all right with our descrepencies between our guesses!! Hazzaaa!! !~ HIF ~! Lol Ruin is Entropy in his own right. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK-42 Posted August 26, 2017 Report Share Posted August 26, 2017 Cultivation+Autonomy=Maturity (One often arrives at maturity through personal growth and learning to be self sustaining) Ambition+Devotion = Zeal? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted September 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 Combining Shards have been trending lately and we have this neat spreadsheet here so i thought we could bring this thread back to life. The spreadsheet is linked in the first post, remember NOT to delete anything - if you disagree with something, please write about it here and we will discuss it and possibly delete it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmereAvair Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) I would like to think that Honor+Autonomy=Hubris, Hubris could even be a triple shard if you added Dominion Maybe Cultivation+Devotion= Hope/Faith Any reason some of the cells in the spreadsheet are black btw? Edited October 3, 2017 by CosmereAvair Spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted October 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 1 hour ago, CosmereAvair said: I would like to think that Honor+Autonomy=Hubris, Hubris could even be a triple shard if you added Dominion Hubris is kind of pride, I don't think that fits. 1 hour ago, CosmereAvair said: Maybe Cultivation+Devotion= Hope/Faith You are welcome to add it yourself 1 hour ago, CosmereAvair said: Any reason some of the cells in the spreadsheet are black btw? No cells you'd need are blacked out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kered Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) Through this spreadsheet I've contemplated for the first time a Odium/Ruin combo. Scary stuff. Awesome post, Oversleep. One thing I don't necessarily disagree with but don't fully understand, is the Honor/Cultivation combo into Civilization. I've having trouble viewing Civilization as a god like being, to many facets of the concept. The textbook definition of honor is to hold in high esteem or an exulted presence and with the bare bones definition of cultivation being to prepare things to grow, I don't think the to of those equal Civilization. You could make the argument that honor could lead to cultivation which ultimately could end up as civilization. But I think Guidance or Prosperity would work better. Edited January 17, 2018 by Kered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Allomantic Metalhead Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 Odium + Ruin = War??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyA Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 (edited) On 1/17/2018 at 1:23 PM, Kered said: Through this spreadsheet I've contemplated for the first time a Odium/Ruin combo. Scary stuff. Awesome post, Oversleep. One thing I don't necessarily disagree with but don't fully understand, is the Honor/Cultivation combo into Civilization. I've having trouble viewing Civilization as a god like being, to many facets of the concept. The textbook definition of honor is to hold in high esteem or an exulted presence and with the bare bones definition of cultivation being to prepare things to grow, I don't think the to of those equal Civilization. You could make the argument that honor could lead to cultivation which ultimately could end up as civilization. But I think Guidance or Prosperity would work better. Were I a highbound teacher of those who might influence humanity, covilization, the evolution of the human race upon Earth and in the common Universe, I would request that you attend a one on one discussion of some primciples I felt might benefit your perspective. Having a well fleshed out perspective is essential, especially if you are an aspiring writer. I obtained this "notion" after reading your wishbourn post. . . . Chaos indeed, to make such a thing a part of the common knowledge. I am not yet familiar with the board, if you have a few minutes, message me so I can reply. Quote Edited January 28, 2018 by SallyA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kered Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 On 25/01/2018 at 9:32 AM, The Allomantic Metalhead said: Odium + Ruin = War??? While war is often bloody and devastating, it can be done for virtuous or noble reasons. Basically, not all war is waged through hatred alone. I think a better combo for Odium and Ruin would either be Chaos or Destruction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kered said: While war is often bloody and devastating, it can be done for virtuous or noble reasons. Basically, not all war is waged through hatred alone. I think a better combo for Odium and Ruin would either be Chaos or Destruction. I vote Devestation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kered Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 Just now, Calderis said: I vote Devestation Haha, I was actually going back to edit Destruction to Annihilation, but I like Devastation better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavtyven Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 Triple shard of Ambition, Dominion and Odium could be Tyranny. While it's not a divine attribute, I feel like it fits too well to not be added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidBlue Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Gavtyven said: Triple shard of Ambition, Dominion and Odium could be Tyranny. While it's not a divine attribute, I feel like it fits too well to not be added. I think that Tyranny can be considered a divine attribute. Are not all natural laws tyrannical? They care nothing for the people that they effect. They cannot be evaded. You cannot bargain or plead for mercy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanghur Rahl Posted November 10, 2018 Report Share Posted November 10, 2018 I like to believe that Harmony + Cultivation = Potency, just because of how poetically fitting it would be for Sazed, impotent all his life, to finally become potent again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmikey357 Posted November 15, 2018 Report Share Posted November 15, 2018 As I thought about this, is it possible for multiple combinations of Shards coming up with the same intent? I know we don't yet know all the Shards yet but there must be other Shards with completely opposing intents like Preservation/Ruin. If a different set of Shards that diametrically opposed each other were to combine could they end up being the same intent?. Say if Odium (hate) and Devotion (love) combined, would they be Harmony or Discord as well? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Inquisitive Posted November 15, 2018 Report Share Posted November 15, 2018 I really don't know why not. Harmony is the expression of balance of two shards. So theoretically any two shards could be combined to form Harmony. (Then again..... With R and P being direct opposites maybe other combos would be less... harmonic?) Another thought, R and P had to work together to build, create, and cultivate. I feel like those two shards are not that different to Cultivation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrakeMarshall Posted November 15, 2018 Report Share Posted November 15, 2018 I agree that basically any fusion of near-diametrically opposed shards could aptly be called "Harmony" Although, I don't think you can necessarily create the exact same shardic intent from different combined shards. I figure that no single shard's intent can be expressed as a combination of the other 15 shards' intents. This suggests that the 16 basic shard intents are linearly independent, which suggests that every single possible combination of shardic intents is unique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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