Stormgate Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 We know Spook went into retirement. We know he discovered Cadmium and he had duralumin. He could very easily be alive and well in a speed bubble somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ninja Yodeler Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Has it been suggested yet that Spook could be the leader of the Set? Just an idea that popped into my crazy brain. No basis for it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full Metal Rithmatist Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) Has it been suggested yet that Spook could be the leader of the Set? Just an idea that popped into my crazy brain. No basis for it. Spook did seem to think that having old people kill themself to make Hemalurgic spikes was a 10 out of 10 idea. Thats a very Set like mentality. Edited February 5, 2016 by Full Metal Rithmatist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Well more like a 9/10. It's probably still disturbing, killing people, but on the other hand it makes perfect sense and not doing so would be a waste. Which makes it even more disturbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senor Feesh Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) Spook having a very pragmatic outlook. Very logical. Very (Stormlight spoiler) Taravangian. Is there a Metalborn power equivalent? Super-logical-high-powered-thought-at-cost-of-losing-touch-with-certain-ethical-boundaries? Edited February 5, 2016 by Voidus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Why would he have to be in a speed bubble? It's entirely possible that whilst researching Kelsier predicament he "discovered" the same longevity secret that most of the worldhoppers seem to have. I find it interesting that he ruled for 100 years then stepped down. No mention of death at all, no tomb or memorial, nothing. One would think there would be something to mark the "Lord Mistborn". 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senor Feesh Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Why would he have to be in a speed bubble? It's entirely possible that whilst researching Kelsier predicament he "discovered" the same longevity secret that most of the worldhoppers seem to have. I find it interesting that he ruled for 100 years then stepped down. No mention of death at all, no tomb or memorial, nothing. One would think there would be something to mark the "Lord Mistborn". I thought there was a tomb for the Lord Mistborn? Isn't that mentioned in SoS somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 It wasn't much of a spoiler but edited just to be safe, please keep SH spoilers to the SH board for now. Once we hit the 9th you can post them here in spoiler tags but until then we're keeping the spoilers contained there.On topic I like to think that he went worldhopping, I don't see him just sitting around in a time bubble letting time pass him by, he'd be doing something at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Does the ability to worldhop grant extended life? Once you have enough power/knowledge to worldhop you don't age? I have no idea... but i think Voidus is on target. I can't see Spook "sitting around" if he could be out having adventures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Well, it probably doesn't, but that didn't seem to stop every worldhopper we know of having a method for not aging. So I'd assume it probably comes with the territory of expertise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mestiv Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 I don't think Worldhoppers are granted extended lifespan (at least not all of them). They may be traveling in time. That would explain their appearances with such big time gaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 Again, no SH spoilers outside of the subforum please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisturbingTheorist Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 (edited) The disturbing thought was the result of a question I asked Brandon on a reddit Q&A. I suggested using hemalurgy in that way as a result of knowing the Set's motivations and trying to think of a way of achieving similar ends that wouldn't be so evil. Also, Brandon had previously said that Sazed was against the use of Hemalurgy and I had suggested it as a implementation of Hemalurgy that Harmony might be more amenable to. I tried digging for where I asked the question but I haven't been able to find it. So yes, it is a very "Set" minded idea. But I don't think Spook is involved with the Set, especially since it's very much clearly a Trellist organization and Spook personally knows Harmony/Sazed. He would not decide to start worshipping another God even if he tends to think of Harmony as Sazed (human) instead of a God. When you know for a fact that your God is a good person that you like, I don't think you turn against them. And I still think it's a 10/10 idea. More investiture++ Yay! Edit: Found the link https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/1lhf1e/worldcon_flash_ama_brandon_sanderson/cbzk9vt Edited February 6, 2016 by DisturbingTheorist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of nowhere Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 spook would have taken volunteers to be spiked, he wouldn't have spiked unwilling people. especially not just to experiment, as the set seems to have done. plus, if spook wanted to reach some goal - any goal - all he would need to do would be reveal himself, and everybody would fawn over him. he's actually worshipped as a god. he wouldn't need to start a secret society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ninja Yodeler Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 spook would have taken volunteers to be spiked, he wouldn't have spiked unwilling people. especially not just to experiment, as the set seems to have done. plus, if spook wanted to reach some goal - any goal - all he would need to do would be reveal himself, and everybody would fawn over him. he's actually worshipped as a god. he wouldn't need to start a secret society. I think being worshipped as a god might have an effect on someone. Might make them think they can just take what they want. Especially if people decided not to volunteer. Not saying I think it's very likely, but I do think there is a chance. Mainly because I think it would be cool for good ol' Lestibournes to play the "bad guy". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Misting Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Now that I think about it there's a good chance Spook had himself spiked at the end of his life. He probably didn't ask other old allomancers to spike themselves because he wanted to keep Hemalurgy a secret. But there's really no good reason for him not to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ninja Yodeler Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) Now that I think about it there's a good chance Spook had himself spiked at the end of his life. He probably didn't ask other old allomancers to spike themselves because he wanted to keep Hemalurgy a secret. But there's really no good reason for him not to do it. Especially if he found a way to keep the initial spikee alive while the second uses the power. Even if that power is reduced. Does anyone know how many copies of the Hemalurgy books are on Scad? I think I remember both Marasi and Wax reading two separate books. And if there are more of them, then Spook most likely didn't teach the Set about Hemalurgy. Edited February 7, 2016 by The Ninja Yodeler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) Marasi's copy was one Wax had replicated from his own, right? Edited February 8, 2016 by natc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ninja Yodeler Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 Marasi's copy was one Wax had replicated from his own, right? That's what I thought. Wasn't sure if I was remembering wrong. So yeah only 2 known copies, the original Spooks' personal copy. So yeah, I still think it's unlikely, but Spook may have taught the Set what they know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder_93 Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 Where is Spooks ideas to spike old Allomancers/Ferruchemists mentioned? I don't remember that... But possibly, I really just forgot... More about topic: I think he's still around as well. I have to agree, it would be a great plot twist if the Lord Mistborn himself got leader of the Set, but I liked Spook, I don't want him to be evil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senor Feesh Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 Where is Spooks ideas to spike old Allomancers/Ferruchemists mentioned? I don't remember that... But possibly, I really just forgot... It's written in his book of Hemalurgy somewhere. Marasi muses on it, and how disturbing it is because it's so reasonably thought-out. Basically take people who are already terminal and spike them so you don't lose the power forever when they die. I forget which scene - it might have been at the gravedigging? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NovaSeeker Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) Should be noted that Spook wasn't advocating murder. He stipulated that you could ask the terminal or elderly to volunteer for spiking. Disturbing? Yes. Reasonable.... yes. Edited February 8, 2016 by NovaSeeker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ninja Yodeler Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 Should be noted that Spook wasn't advocating murder. He stipulated that you could ask the terminal or elderly to volunteer for spiking. Disturbing? Yes. Reasonable.... yes. Yeah, I keep trying to see an angle where Spook gets fed up with having nobody volunteer. And just starts doing it. But I really don't see him doing that. I mean , he did live through a time where Inquisitors did just that, forcibly taking abilities. But maybe he advocated Hemalurgy around the wrong person, and they began what would become known as The Set through their secret testing of Hemalurgy. I'm really just trying to exhaust all options that might have led to Spook having a hand in the Set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NovaSeeker Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 I don't think, statistically speaking, every last person asked would say no. That's a little too "neat" to make the world and society feel real. (It reads too much like a story and not a plausible event.) I think it makes more sense to say that Spook is innocent of any wrong doing. He developed a humane way of spiking people (complete anesthetization of the voluntary donor and recipient, followed by painless euthenization if the donor survived the spiking maimed but still not quite dead). But, once you know something and share it, it's hard to keep the genie in a bottle. The Set, if they were not given Hemalurgy by this outside "Trell" influence, most likely can trace the origin of their knowledge to Spook. But that doesn't mean he condones their actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathfinder Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 I dunno. If it was donating an organ after I am dead that is one thing, but if I knew hemalurgy ripped away a part of my soul, I would be more hesitant given we do not know how that would affect a person going into the afterlife lol. But understand even though I am agnostic and love technology, for instance with teleportation, I still operate under the premise of "can it be proven that the person that is compiled on the other side is really me me, and not a copy me, while the me me is no more? Because I am the me me, and I wanna kinda stay the me me, so I think I will walk" lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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