Pechvarry Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 Szeth, Stone Shamans, The Set, Survivor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oathbringer Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 Agreed, the "elders" are probably full Elantrians--the aged appearance cognitively, their use of Aons in the magical orb and devices, the glow of the stones from the Dor, and saying Merciful Domi! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fyodor Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) Theoretically it is NOT impossible that Hoid carries metallic dust from Scadrial, but in practice, I think it is a safe assumption that he is using local metals. Maybe, though, the alloys are so specific and exacting that it might be hard for Hoid to get it made on Roshar. Assuming he was soothing her, he'd need just the right percentages of copper and zinc to make allomantic brass. That being said, I had been under the impression that the metal glowed to Vin/Ruin/Sazed because it was a gateway to the power of Ruin/Preservation, to which they were attuned. Kelsier is a Scadrialian allomancer who is residing by virtue of linking himself to the Well, so he's probably similarly attuned. Edited February 3, 2016 by fyodor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landis963 Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 Shallan, Shallash, Shashara(did I get it right?), shshshsh, Shinovar, Sazed... shshshsh doesn't count! That's a placeholder name! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamEternal Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) shshshsh doesn't count! That's a placeholder name! He could have choosen one that didn't start with a "S" . Edited February 3, 2016 by DreamEternal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emailanimal Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Szeth, Stone Shamans, The Set, Survivor... Scadrial, Sel, Sequence, Suit, Shinovar. I also think shshshshsh does count (-: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 He could have choosen one that didn't start with a "S" . But what else would auditory static/censorship blurring sound like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emailanimal Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 But what else would auditory static/censorship blurring sound like? Mmmmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Wax Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Can I just say, if there are Elantris spoilers, can they please be tagged/hidden? I might bee one of the few people who have read all of mistborn but not Elantris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamEternal Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 I might bee one of the few people who have read all of mistborn but not Elantris. Me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sovereign Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Can I just say, if there are Elantris spoilers, can they please be tagged/hidden? I might bee one of the few people who have read all of mistborn but not Elantris. Me too. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zmann966 Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) Got an answer just now about people using metals on other planets: Seems like, as long as your are invested in the Scadrian way (as in are a Misting/Mistborn/etc.) you can burn any metal, as long as it's the right composition.I also got confirmation on something I had suspected for awhile but couldn't find confirmation on: so it's literally the Shardic power itself that blinds Shards from seeing it clearly on the Cognitive. (Or at least, blinds Preservation and Ruin.) Edited February 4, 2016 by Zmann966 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paliah Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Speaking of similar names, the word Ire reminded me of Iri, one of the Silver Kingdoms in Roshar. It's probably a coincidence, but there could be some kind of connection with the Iriali Long Trail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theuntaintedchild Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 What's up with their soldiers protecting Threnody "border" (which is apparently very far away) to prevent them from entering "main stage"? Are Elantrians blockading Threnodians, is there an interplanetary conflict? Who else is on this main stage aside from Elantrians? I wonder if it may have something to do with the Elantrians on Sel not dying and the shades that wander around on Threnody. Perhaps the Shades are the missing spiritual aspects of the Elantrians...or something like that. Don't know I'm just spitballing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landis963 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Speaking of similar names, the word Ire reminded me of Iri, one of the Silver Kingdoms in Roshar. It's probably a coincidence, but there could be some kind of connection with the Iriali Long Trail. That is pronounced "Ee-ree." The Ire are the "Eye-Ree." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full Metal Rithmatist Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 shshshsh doesn't count! That's a placeholder name! *tinfoil hat on* Shshshsh was clearly a herald and isnt really dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirscott13 Posted February 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Gems come from the beasts of Roshar. Metal can be mined I guess, but with highstorms I think they'd all rather soulcast metal. The only place highstorms are not a problem is in shinovar but they don't like to mine so.... Soulcast metal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meg Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 @gems and their origin: I dare remind you that the Davar's wealth came from (faked, but anyway) mining gems. If mining gems would not be usual on Roshar the Davars would have had no possibility to stay with that fake mines of them. Also it seems that at the moment (as in at the time when TWoK and WoR set in) the only means of getting large gems (aside of mining) seem to be the chasmfiends as other (known or accessible) greatshells were exterminated by the scouring of Aimia. At least that's how I understood it from (Jasnah? I honestly don't recall at the moment). Also it seems to me that chulls (for example) don't bear gems worth of rising chulls just for that purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echaozh Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 I think Ire are on a diffent than Scadrial. Kelsier was in space, which he didn't understand and thought was ocean. Ire may very well be on Threnody itself. Preservation's power tried to pull Kelsier back, that means something. Kelsier was mistaken mostly because he looked like a Threndian. Nazh looked like a skaa, which means skaas looked like Threnodians. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormingTexan Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 I think Ire are on a diffent than Scadrial. Kelsier was in space, which he didn't understand and thought was ocean. Ire may very well be on Threnody itself. Preservation's power tried to pull Kelsier back, that means something. Kelsier was mistaken mostly because he looked like a Threndian. Nazh looked like a skaa, which means skaas looked like Threnodians. After a re-read of this part I think you are right. I can't find it but I seem to recal there was a WoB about distances between planets being shorter in the CR. Now the question is what planet it actually was. I'm guessing Thredony as they seemed be guarding against them but I do not think we have conclusive proof at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echaozh Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 You know, considering the relationship between Khriss and Ire, if Ire is basing on Threnody, it would be very easy to explain how Khriss employed Nazh in the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NovaSeeker Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) I thought we were not supposed to know if Hoid used the Lerasium bead as of yet? Don't remember if it is a WoB I read or just a post here or something but isn't it believed that the letter refers to him keeping the bead safe (ie not using it)? Lets look as what Hoid specifically said: Let me first assure you that the element is quite safe. I have found a good home for it. I protect its safety like I protect my own skin, you might say. As in... it's inside his skin. Because he swallowed it. (And then burned it so now its a permanent part of him... and his skin) Edited February 8, 2016 by NovaSeeker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardello Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 What if Nazh's knife and stool screw didn't glow because, unlike the metals Kell could see across the realms, they were fully inside the Cognitive Realm? Perhaps only metals in the Physical glow? I believe that this is probably true. But before I saw this post, I thought that they might be made of silver... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh3nahz Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 i think mining metals and ores exist on Roshar, its just not a focus of the points of view characters so they don't put much note to them. The regular soldiers have normal armour spear points and swords made of metals and the women and fabrials have metal workings. so they have blacksmithing and metal artisans. In the plot when they are eating i assume they are using metal cutlery as Brandon would put a focus on hand eating or wooden cutlery.so there is metals on roshar and mining its just not something the characters pay attention to like the gem stones on Scadrial (vin notices nobels in jewlery and keilser knows what a gem looks like and value of its size). there might be a way to hack the investiture by its identity and soul in the cognative realm. sort of like hemerlarlgy spikes steal spiritual identity from one persona soul and grants it to others. Kriss assumes that the fabirals work because they enslaved spren inside of them. the coins the south scadriels use with the power granting uses simlar hacking principles. the shards grant power divine to their realms through investure and the races of the cosmere use science to hack investure to grant them god powers. its probably easier for allomencers, surgebinders, awakeners ect to figure out how to use powers on other planets if they have enough realmatic knowlege. although it probably has diminished returns to thier orginal realm kinda like using a secondary language does, theres always something lost in translation and not natural to the neural network. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 Well actually it's mentioned to be way easier to just carve a weapon from wood and then soulcast it. But apparently aluminum is known to be only obtainable by soulcasting, so I'd imagine soulcasting is not the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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