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Q: There are forces involved in developing instant noodles?

A: Yes, oh yes.

It's inspiring to see there are noble warriors in cosmere that are fighting to protect college students from starvation or, God forbid, cooking.

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I will. I have to figure out how to make it public on my iPad first, but I'll put it up in a few minutes.

EDIT: Got it! Here!

EDIT 2: I have finished Personalization 1 and am close to the end of Extras, which is great. Seriously, awesome questions and (some) awesome answers.

EDIT 3: Extras is done. Unless someone else gets to it, I'll work on Personalization 2 tomorrow, and you should expect it done around this time (9:00 PST)

 

Sweet, thanks for all the hard work.

 

I do have one concern, though. It seems that the transcript takes a few liberties with mixing paraphrasing with verbatim and/or cutting out where intejectionary questions or clarifications/confusions happened. One spot that jumps out in particular (this just from memory) is in the Extras section when he's talking about burning Forged metal. There was a fair amount of back-and-forth there, some thinking-out-loud, etc. that went into the answer.

 

One potentially/particularly interesting bit that's left out of the transcript is an offhand comment Brandon made stating that the reason why it's easy for a normal Allomancer to just burn a metalmind for Allomantic effect is because the two systems are similar/on the same planet.

 

Very often we can tease quite a bit more out of verbatim answers with complete context, so I'll ask to what extent such trimming happened in the rest of the transcript? If you find that it's endemic and/or that you don't think anything worthwhile was missed, then would you mind just flagging the places where you condensed stuff in case other people want to spot-check or add details?

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Generally I tried to make it verbatim, particularly Brandon's answers and when the wording was important. The parts where I paraphrased were either confusing on the asker's part, or all of the words were overlapping and I simplified it into more of Brandon's speech and left out where the asker was repeating something that had already been said. I can go back and put thos in if you want, though.

I will totally flag those points tonight. This is my first transcript, so I wasn't sure how verbatim to be. Thanks for clearing it up!

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You basically did it right, so far as I can tell. Overlapping speech, repetition, simple clarification of meaning, etc. are all the kind of thing where having verbatim doesn't really help convey what people were saying, so it's to the good to clear them up during the transcription.

 

We just have to be careful on where we're making judgement calls on where the exact wording is important, and ere on the side of detail. A long-winded RAFO that lets spill a bit of info about a tangentially-related subject isn't exactly the same thing as a RAFO, mid-answer clarifications can illuminate the mindset of Brandon and/or the asker, etc. Also consider that, when you find a question confusing, Brandon might have been confused as well, so he might actually be answering a different question than either the asker intended or we as the transcribers parsed. Thus why often it might be better to just put down the question in all of its confusing glory.

 

An example of where it's hard to make the call is at 3:56 of "Extras" where Brandon's talking about the mist-spirit. There's a lot of detail spilled out in a little time there, and not all of it got into the transcript: presumably in the name of clarity, but some of those bits might prove useful moving forward.

 

P.S. I am by no means the authority on transcription, and whatsmore am now doing the equivalent of "you missed a spot" while lounging eating bon-bons, so my apologies if I'm being presumptuous here. This is mostly coming from my perspective of someone who references WoBs alot: usually it doesn't matter, but sometimes quite a bit can hinge on interpretation of the exact wording used, so when detail has potentially been left out...

 

P.P.S If you don't mind, I think I'll skim through the recordings/transcript adding some detail (and crediting questioners, where I know who to credit) later. It's about 1000x easier to do this kind of thing when the vast majority of the text is already on the page, which you've been kind enough to do. :)

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Great! I'm happy you'll credit askers, because I thought people should be credited, but I didn't have any way of knowing who was who.

And no, you're not being presumptuous at all. I did whatever felt natural for me to transcribe, but some of the wording might be improvable. After I finishe Personalization 2, I'll go back over all of them to make sure I didn't miss anything. On the other hand, if I missed it the first time, I might miss it again, so any extra eyes would be greatly appreciated.

The other thing I took out occasionally was a prefacing statement by the asker that told Brandon the general topic (e.g. "we know that nicrosil can store Investiture"). Sometimes I left them in, if the question was a combination of two different things. They could be deleted, though. I'm not sure.

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Just went over Extras and Personalization 1 (well, the parts of Personalization 1 that you already had transcripts for), everything looks basically good. Did a few tweaks here and there, but most of the meaning was already there, so it looks like I was being pessimistic.

 

The one major change was that I expanded out all of the discussion on the mist-spirit. I also attributed whatever questioners I could, which essentially amounted to me, Argent, and Alterodent in the Extras part, since those are the voices I know how to match screen names to.

 

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One possible problem, though: RAFOs are our friends. We like knowing what's RAFOd so we don't get blindsided by RAFOs coming down the line (see: my question about compounding aluminum in Personalization 2). I noticed a part where the transcript didn't have an entry for a RAFO'd question that followed immediately after some non-RAFOd ones. We want to record RAFOs. Were there any others that were in the original recording but didn't get transcribed?

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I seem to remember thinking at the very beginning that I thought a RAFO wasn't important, but by the end I had realized that they were obviously important. Sorry about that. I'd forgotted I did that.

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I seem to remember thinking at the very beginning that I thought a RAFO wasn't important, but by the end I had realized that they were obviously important. Sorry about that. I'd forgotted I did that.

 

Not obviously important. Brandon, much like Jordan before him, believes in randomly RAFOing some questions just for the sake of confusing our radar. 

 

I find this interesting:

 

 

Q: Syl identifies herself as an honorspren.

A: Yes.
Q: Would Wyndle identify himself as a cultivationspren?
A: Yes. I think you could say that he would.
Q: By the same logic, would a voidspren follow the same naming convention, so to speak?
A: Here's the thing. Certain spren have decided that they are the most pure form of honor, or that they are the most pure form of whatever, where all of them are kind of... Syl's got a good argument for what she is. But there are other spren that would be like "well, I'm an honorspren too, I'm just this variety of honorspren." Does that make sense? Syl's like "I'm an American!" and I'm like "I'm an Alaskan!" Yes, you're an American. I'm an American too. It's kind of similar to that. But she would be the most pure... many would view her as the purest form. Wyndle would view himself as the purest form of a cultivation spren.
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Not obviously important. Brandon, much like Jordan before him, believes in randomly RAFOing some questions just for the sake of confusing our radar. 

 

I find this interesting:

 

 

I find it interesting to know Wyndle is as much of Cultivation as Syl is of Honor, which makes the Windrunners and the Edgedancers some sort of polar opposite...

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And given that, I would expect Edgedancers and Windrunners to be directly opposite from each other in the Radiant chart, but they're not.

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And given that, I would expect Edgedancers and Windrunners to be directly opposite from each other in the Radiant chart, but they're not.

 

Yeah... Me too...

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And given that, I would expect Edgedancers and Windrunners to be directly opposite from each other in the Radiant chart, but they're not.

That'd be a good question for Brandon, then.  Something to the effect of "You previously said that Syl considers herself the purest form of Honor Spren and Wyndle is a pure spren of Cultivation. This would lead me to think that Edgedancers and windrunners are polar opposites, yet they are  not polar opposites on the Radiant chart.  Is this because Honor and Cultivation are not in direct opposition like preservation and ruin?

Can you explain a bit about why Edgedancers and windrunners are not opposite?

Is it more than just the Edgedancers' second ideals?"

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I might be missing something, but aren't Windrunners (Zephyr) and Edgedancers (Lucentia) at vertical opposites in the KR chart? They even have a line connecting each other.

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Is it possible that some surges are of Honor and some are of Cultivation, so that it is more of a mishmash?

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They are at vertical opposites. I would expect them to be at direct, diagonal opposites, like where Lightweavers are to Windrunners.

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Remember, the WoB says 'Wyndle would describe himself so' which to be fair seems like an accurate guesstimation but it could be otherwise, but the KR chart could be valid evidence for it

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[18:30] Q: Can you use Feruchemy and Hemalurgy together like you can use Allomancy and Feruchemy to Compound?

A: There are some tricks you can play. I wouldn't call them compounding, but there are tricks.

 

I'm guessing that you can use Hemalurgy to, for example, steal someone's strength, then store that strength for "free", but I wonder if there isn't more to this.

 

[32:20] Q: Is metal a renewable resource on Scadrial, or is it going to run out?

A: It does run out.

 

[32:50] Q: If you burn a Hemalurgic spike, would it graft the piece of stolen soul onto your soul?

A: No, but it would have... There are some interesting effects there.

 

CONFLICTING WOBS WHY

 

Q2: Oh! So is that where the gods live? Kinda?

A: Most of the bulk of the Shard's energy of being is contained in the Spiritual Realm, yes. [edited for clarity- Original was: Most of the bulk of what the Shard's energy of being is contained on the Spiritual Realm] Except for one notable exception!

Q2: The [Mistry?]

A: No.

 

Yet another WoB heavily implying it's the Dor.

 

A: He took Szeth's. So he has that one. Oh! I thought you meant Taln's, I thought. He does not have Taln's. He has Szeth's. .

Q: I'm assuming he found that one, because that made the most sense...

A: ... Sorry, I assumed you meant Taln's. Taln's is gone.

 

Not "the one known as Taln" here... but does it mean anything?

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I think we don't know enough about the internal organization of the Orders/Surges chart to decide what "opposite" means in its context. In Allomancy, for example, you can define metals as opposites in a few different ways (external vs. internal or pushing vs. pulling for example) and not all of those structures produce geometrically polar opposites. In fact, metals that are diametrically opposite are more similar than metals sitting next to each other.

 

So there could be something similar going on with the Surges and Orders. I would've liked it better if Lightweavers and Edgedancers had switched places, so Windrunners and Edgedancers can be diametrically opposite. But the way we have them now, Windrunners "oppose" Lightweavers, which also makes sense, since honorspren and cryptics are not exactly BFFs. So. We don't know.

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It's so weird to me to be reading a transcript of an event I was at the entire time...

 

 

A: Vin was not more powerful. Vin just took to it very naturally. She was highly skilled. It was very instinctive to her, but Elend was actually more powerful than she was, if you count just raw power. Vin knew her stuff. Vin is a rare individual that for reasons I have not explained yet, was able to draw in the mists for a little extra boost at times. And there are other characters you have seen do this.

 

First, Vin is even more special than we knew? Goodness gracious, Brandon, are we going to keep on finding things about your books decades after they are released?

 

This answer also adds a lot of weight to the argument that Wax is drawing on the mists, I think. 

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That'd be a good question for Brandon, then.  Something to the effect of "You previously said that Syl considers herself the purest form of Honor Spren and Wyndle is a pure spren of Cultivation. This would lead me to think that Edgedancers and windrunners are polar opposites, yet they are  not polar opposites on the Radiant chart.  Is this because Honor and Cultivation are not in direct opposition like preservation and ruin?

Can you explain a bit about why Edgedancers and windrunners are not opposite?

Is it more than just the Edgedancers' second ideals?"

 

Well... you're assuming that honor and Honor are the same thing. I can see why you'd assume that, but we have the evidence from the chart that perhaps they aren't. Just my two cents. I like to question assumptions.

 

Yet another WoB heavily implying it's the Dor.

 

I had assumed this meant the Well. It was enough of Preservation's power to let someone be a Shard for a few minutes, and it was in the Physical realm. But it could be the Dor.

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Huh, I listened to some of my questions, and I - amazingly - don't entirely hate my voice there. Which is a big change from 7 months ago. 

 

Are we feeling like we are done with the transcript, so we can post it here and let people search for things?

 

 

[1:41:20] Q: Kandra can eat nonhumans. What happens when they eat a spren?

A: Kandras have never encountered spren in any relevant way, except for the occasional Worldhopper, and they have never had occasion to try to eat the spren. Good question.

 

Does this look like a confirmation that we'll get a Radiant worldhopper to anyone else?

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The transcript has about half an hour left on it. I'll finish it within the next hour or two.

EDIT: Then I'll go through the Q&A, just in case, but it should be pretty much done at that point.

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