Mikanium Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 About halfway through the book so far, but even though it's listed in the forums as a non cosmere work, it seems steelheart's 'Calamity' seems to fit the description of a Shard of Adonalsium. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyabi Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Steelheart takes place on Earth (or a variation thereof) which means it's non-Cosmere. Earth, in no form, exists within the Cosmere. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightsworn Panda Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) Calamity does have the qualities resembling a Shard. Not sure if the Reckoner series actually counts as part of the Cosmere Shard system. It does have a unique sense of humor, giving power to humans so they can bring calamity upon themselves. Edited March 29, 2014 by ST4RK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmingly Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 I think Brandon just thinks of magic in terms of shard relations at this point. Though it makes me wonder how they managed to reproduce the effects in weapons if there isn't a scientific effect going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
name_here Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 I think Brandon just thinks of magic in terms of shard relations at this point. Though it makes me wonder how they managed to reproduce the effects in weapons if there isn't a scientific effect going on. There are two, not necessarily mutually exclusive, possibilities for that. First, our only known actual technological reproduction of an Epic's powers is the gun from the weapons dealer. It appears to be a coilgun that energizes a projectile, and there is no specific reason aside from power requirements and materials that we couldn't make a similar device today. The explosion is apparently a bit strange, but mostly it's just a very large energy release. So it might be that the weapon is simply inspired by the Epic but works on different principles. Second, apparently the black market runs off genetic samples from Epics. Now, if they're making mechanical reproductions of Epic powers, that doesn't make much sense. They'd want the physical structures associated with the powers, assuming there is such a thing. However, if the powers don't have a specific physical manifestation but are instead linked to the life of the individual, that would imply that any of their living cells could use their powers. Including ones separated from their bodies, placed in cryogenic storage, and eventually integrated into a machine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobold King Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 Calamity does have the qualities resembling a Shard. Not sure if the Reckoner series actually counts as part of the Cosmere Shard system. It does have a unique sense of humor, giving humans so they can bring calamity upon themselves. When I first read Steelheart, I thought that Calamity was a Shard. I was actually poring over the text trying to find his/her Shardpool before I did additional research and found out Reckoners wasn't in the Cosmere. I suppose the fact that Hoid wasn't in it should have tipped me off though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightsworn Panda Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 (edited) Maybe Calamity is a Shard that not only world-hopped but system-jumped from the Cosmere into another system. Just speculating. Edited March 29, 2014 by ST4RK 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qqemonte Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 Maybe Calamity is a Shard that not only world-hopped but system-jumped from the Cosmere into another system. Just speculating. I was also thinking about this. What if a shard accidentally went dimension hopping and end up on Earth. Wouldn't it be great to see world hoppers from the Cosmere come to Earth to retrieve the Calamity shard? What if the intent of Calamity is to cause bad events to test the faith of man as what was also mentioned in the book? The Epics were even considered as forces of nature or 'calamities' like that of a storm or an earthquake. This is a good way to do a crossover and maybe have a new shard whose sentience is from Earth go to the Cosmere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curiosity Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 But wouldn't the Shard Calamity have too similar of an intent to Ruin? Also, Calamity is the human name for a red dot in the sky… Not the name for whatever it calls itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of nowhere Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 Yes, calamity has something of a shard. Just a coincidence, I think. Or sanderson being used to think in a certain way. I was also thinking about this. What if a shard accidentally went dimension hopping and end up on Earth. Wouldn't it be great to see world hoppers from the Cosmere come to Earth to retrieve the Calamity shard? What if the intent of Calamity is to cause bad events to test the faith of man as what was also mentioned in the book? The Epics were even considered as forces of nature or 'calamities' like that of a storm or an earthquake. This is a good way to do a crossover and maybe have a new shard whose sentience is from Earth go to the Cosmere. No, it would not be great. If worldhoppers were to appear on earth, there would be some huge cataclysm and a collapse of civilization. enough dead people to make the second world war look like a ffriendly disputation between neighboors. Then, mankind will ultimately survive the big treath and recover better than it was before. Like we did after second world war... So, no, I'd rather not see any worldhopper. If you meet a guy who goes by the name "hoid" and seem able to do tr4icks with light, tell me immediately, I'll pack as much food as i can and go live in the bottom of a cave for a few years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightsworn Panda Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 If you meet a guy who goes by the name "hoid" and seem able to do tr4icks with light, tell me immediately, I'll pack as much food as i can and go live in the bottom of a cave for a few years. Hmm... Conflux has a very Hoidish personality. Wonder if he is... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyman Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 Hmm... Conflux has a very Hoidish personality. Wonder if he is... I don't think you understand Hoid or Conflux very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
signspace13 Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Maybe Calamity is a Shard that not only world-hopped but system-jumped from the Cosmere into another system. Just speculating. wouldn't that make Calamity 'the seventeenth shard'... actually I feel like that describes us quite aptly. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tien'sPetLurg Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 I also thought this story could easily mesh with the Cosmere. For me, as a reader, I would be fine with Earth fitting into that scheme somehow. Upvotes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidandog Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 I am thinking that the reason brandon states that the earth and calamity are outside of the cosmere, might be because the cosmere is the aftermath of earth, calamity and it's epics destruction. We are always offered clues that the shards are exactly that--shards of something that fractured before. ..perchaps that something was our universe; and the fears and beliefs of the most powerful épics on earth manifested into shards. Hey...it seemed the epics liked swords as well!! There are múltiple possibilities and i am sure i have only scratched the surface, (and there is also megans alternate reality powers that could play directly into it). And we cant rule out that she will not be vastly strong er in the next book...remember that she never fully embraced her powers before and never achieved her "glory" now that she has faced her fears she may have sidestepped the madness and gañí de the glory...may be it is a type oft est. Regardless, it always Struck me as odd that the shards had the ñames of such human emotions. Any way....just a thought 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skaa Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) @Aidandog: The Cosmere is a dwarf galaxy, apparently, so Megan will have to do some major intergalactic reality-warping in order to make Earth part of the Cosmere. Also, the sixteen people who held the Shards of Adonalsium are from the planet Yolen, where Hoid is also from. Definitely not Earth. Edited February 23, 2015 by skaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaze1616 Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 I read somewhere, in the bellies of the internet, that when Brandon sat down to write Reckoners, he originally planned it to be Cosmere. At some point down the road he changed it because he didn't want Earth, in any form, in the Cosmere. So much of his planning happened with him in the mindset of writing a Cosmere novel. I can't find where I read that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skaa Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 I read somewhere, in the bellies of the internet, that when Brandon sat down to write Reckoners, he originally planned it to be Cosmere. At some point down the road he changed it because he didn't want Earth, in any form, in the Cosmere. So much of his planning happened with him in the mindset of writing a Cosmere novel. I can't find where I read that. Ooh, interesting! That's exactly the same situation as the Rithmatist. I hope someone could find that WoB about Reckoners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaze1616 Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 Ooh, interesting! That's exactly the same situation as the Rithmatist. I hope someone could find that WoB about Reckoners. I cannot find it for the life of me, and it is super frustrating, because I'm definitely not mistaking it with the Rithmatist WoB you posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laxrulz777 Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 I'm also open to the possibility that the "Brandonverse" is a broader scope than the Cosmer and encompasses all his works. The core assumption being that all "magic" (or, in the case of Reckoners, super powers... effectivley magic) comes from "shards". Now the Cosmere and the Reckoners may never meet, never interact and almost certainly will have nothing to do with each other. But somewhere in the back of his head he might still be thinking, "This is how it all works... " I'd be perfectly okay with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhelvens Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 There is one reason above all others why the Reckoners should be Cosmere: Mistborn battle in Newcago Just sayin'... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 There is one reason above all others why the Reckoners should be Cosmere: Mistborn battle in Newcago Just sayin'... I wonder how many steel lines would occur from a city that's just a block of steel cut open in places? I guess more skilled people (especially savants) have been shown manifesting multiple lines in a single object, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyman Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 I wonder how many steel lines would occur from a city that's just a block of steel cut open in places? I guess more skilled people (especially savants) have been shown manifesting multiple lines in a single object, but still. I'm guessing that even the weakest Mistborn/Lurcher/Coinshot would figure out that solid blocks of steel have more than one steel line if they got a chance to fight in Newcago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaladin Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Maybe Kelsier will show up in Calamity. Kelsier is supposed to stay in the Cosmere, but Kelsier doesn't always do what Brandon says. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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