kroen Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 (edited) Tia kept asking him that in Firefight but David never gave an answer. Seeing as he only learned of Sourcefield's past-poisoning after he already killed her by exploiting her weakness, how did he guess her weakness in the first place? I really hope it's not a deus ex machina. Edited August 27, 2015 by kroen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiLyghtSansSparkles Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 As I understood it, he learned her weakness from Tia or other lorists, but the connection to her past wasn't made until later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kroen Posted August 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 He couldn't have learned it from Tia, as she specifially asked him how he found it. I can look for a quote if you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kroen Posted August 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 (edited) Found it: (Chapter 26) I passed Tia’s room and was surprised when she called out. “David?” I hesitated by the door, then pushed it open farther. “Yeah?” “How did you know?” Tia asked, head down over her datapad, typing something furiously. “About Sourcefield.” Sourcefield. The Epic we’d killed just before leaving Newcago. I stepped forward, eager. “You found something more? About her background?” “I’ve just recovered the truth about her grandparents,” Tia said with a nod. Edited August 27, 2015 by kroen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiLyghtSansSparkles Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 They knew her weakness from the very beginning, though. That's the whole setup at the beginning of the novel--David leads Sourcefield through an elaborate Kool-Aid obstacle course, and it's mentioned that the Reckoners spent days planning it, based on their knowledge of her weakness. Tia, I believe, was wondering how David knew Sourcefield's weakness was connected to her past. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kroen Posted August 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Maybe you're right, maybe I was reading to much into it. Then again, how did anyone (Tia, lorists or otherwise) found about her weakness without finding first about her past? what, was Sourcefield's first action as a new Epic was to destroy Kool-Aid bottles and stuff? because that's pretty stupid of her if that's what she did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiLyghtSansSparkles Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 How did they find out about Fortuity's weakness, or Nightweilder's, or the weakness of any other Epic they knew? Probably the same way David discovered Newton's: observation, detective work, and a good bit of lucky guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kroen Posted August 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 (edited) To be fair, David had a photo of Nightweilder being corporeal in sunlight. As for Fortuity, I don't think it'd take too much spying to notice his precog abilities plummet near pretty women. But Kool-Aid? even if they spotted Sourcefield refusing to drink it, it might just be she doesn't like the taste. Edited August 27, 2015 by kroen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiLyghtSansSparkles Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Epics have a tendency to panic and grow angry when exposed to their weaknesses. A normal person would simply say "No thank you" if offered a glass of Kool-Aid; it's probably not too far a leap to assume Sourcefield overreacted when accidentally exposed to her weakness at some point. Of course, there's also the chance the lorists know more about Epics and weaknesses than they're letting on, and I'm not ruling that out. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobold King Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Epics have a tendency to panic and grow angry when exposed to their weaknesses. A normal person would simply say "No thank you" if offered a glass of Kool-Aid; it's probably not too far a leap to assume Sourcefield overreacted when accidentally exposed to her weakness at some point. Of course, there's also the chance the lorists know more about Epics and weaknesses than they're letting on, and I'm not ruling that out. In the same vein, I used to think Mitosis was an idiot for making his weakness so easy to guess by killing anyone in his vicinity who listened to music. Now though, it's become clear that the sight of people listening to music must have provoked an irrational rage in Mitosis, which prompted him to overreact and murderize whoever was playing the music. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 Found it: (Chapter 26) My interpretation of this quote was more 'how did you know there was a link between her weakness and her past' rather than 'how did you know her weakness' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaze1616 Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 I interpreted it a bit differently. With Sourcefield, they [Reckoners] knew she avoided Kool-Aid, implying it was her weakness. They then attempted to splash her with it, and her powers were disrupted, but not cancelled. David then, via accident, gets her to drink some, which does cancel her powers, and he kills her. Tia, then, was asking how he knew Sourcefield had to drink it to cancel the powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poisonedbite Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 he noticed during the fight she mad a mask/filter on. And Tia was asking how he knew it was connected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil_Reptile Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 In the same vein, I used to think Mitosis was an idiot for making his weakness so easy to guess by killing anyone in his vicinity who listened to music. Now though, it's become clear that the sight of people listening to music must have provoked an irrational rage in Mitosis, which prompted him to overreact and murderize whoever was playing the music. Actually, I think that there's a quote somewhere in Firefight where David says that he thinks that Epics are motivated to... y'know, do Epic stuff because of their fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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