lightsongthebold Posted January 11, 2017 Report Share Posted January 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Pagerunner said: It's possible Gavilar was bonding one of the other two Bondsmith spren. Do we know what the other two Bondsmith spren were? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pagerunner Posted January 11, 2017 Report Share Posted January 11, 2017 19 minutes ago, lightsongthebold said: Do we know what the other two Bondsmith spren were? Nightwatcher is a strong possibility. Cusicesh is another, although we know he's a level below the Stormfather and Nightwatcher. But, no, we don't know for sure what the other two are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted January 11, 2017 Report Share Posted January 11, 2017 Graves told Amaram that they (Diagramists) know the term "Everstorm" only from Gavilar's visions, so... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landis963 Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 (edited) If a Hemalurgist (presuming he had a working knowledge of the relevant bind points) were to (somehow) time-travel to before the Shattering of Adonalsium, would he be able to actually spike out and implant traits like he could post-creation of Scadrial? Edited January 15, 2017 by Landis963 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Landis963 said: If a Hemalurgist (presuming he had a working knowledge of the relevant bind points) were to (somehow) time-travel to before the Shattering of Adonalsium, would he be able to actually spike out and implant traits like he could post-creation of Scadrial? I doubt it - at the time there would be no Hemalurgy in existence yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landis963 Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, Oversleep said: I doubt it - at the time there would be no Hemalurgy in existence yet. Well, my other questions - regarding the outer limits of Adonalsium's influence and the possibility of alternate Adonalsium-esque entities in other parts of the universe - are complete RAFO-bait. Besides, he can always surprise us. (In addition, I suspect that the only thing in Hemalurgy's way back then was the fact that Scadrial wasn't a thing - Ruin's Investiture, by contrast, certainly was) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 24 minutes ago, Landis963 said: (In addition, I suspect that the only thing in Hemalurgy's way back then was the fact that Scadrial wasn't a thing - Ruin's Investiture, by contrast, certainly was) Here's why I think asking about Allomancy is a better choice: Hemalurgy does not require Ruin's Investiture, only that Hemalurgy exists. But if you have Allomancy encoded in your soul... Preservation is technically there, in Adonalsium, so you could draw upon its Investiture, right? This would be far easier if Scadrial existed back then. But we have no other system drawing directly upon Shards power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerald101 Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Is the "creature in Tukar" Mraize mentions the philosopher guy that Lift meets in Edgedancer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landis963 Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 4 hours ago, Oversleep said: Here's why I think asking about Allomancy is a better choice: Hemalurgy does not require Ruin's Investiture, only that Hemalurgy exists. But if you have Allomancy encoded in your soul... Preservation is technically there, in Adonalsium, so you could draw upon its Investiture, right? This would be far easier if Scadrial existed back then. But we have no other system drawing directly upon Shards power. I was aiming for Hemalurgy so I could learn whether or not I could use it as a plot point in a campaign I'm developing. (The things that need to come into play are too coincidental to ever happen, even with the unpredictability of player characters in the mix, but it's good to have it just in case. Or to see whether or not I should develop a substitute) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkum Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 1. Is there a minimum size for a hemalurgic spike (even if it is so small that functionally it does not matter)? and 2. does the amount of investiture in the initial spike (before any decay sets in) vary depending on the person being spiked? e.g if you try to spike physical strength out of a body builder, will there be more investiture than if you tried to spike it from someone a lot weaker, like a very old man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dunkum said: does the amount of investiture in the initial spike (before any decay sets in) vary depending on the person being spiked? e.g if you try to spike physical strength out of a body builder, will there be more investiture than if you tried to spike it from someone a lot weaker, like a very old man? How much strength/health you could store in Feruchemy is affected by those criteria, so I imagine that Hemalurgy would be affected. If memory serves me, older people often had a "weaker" breath on Nalthis than young people, but I do not know if that is the breath itself or a quality of Innate Investiture, as Breath is a largely Nalthis exclusive trait. Edit: forgot to finish my thought: It makes sense for that to be the case, but i cannot say for sure. Edited January 16, 2017 by The One Who Connects Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jondesu Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 2 hours ago, Dunkum said: 1. Is there a minimum size for a hemalurgic spike (even if it is so small that functionally it does not matter)? From what we've seen in the books, I would guess the minimum is simply whether it would reach the bindpoint it needs to hit, and if it actually contacts blood (which wouldn't be tough, if it doesn't need much). Zane comments on how small the one he's using for the one guy is, and how it's barely more than a needle, I think, though it was long enough to pierce the heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccstat Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Cognition directly affects the shape of Shadesmar. Is the variation Mr. T experienced between his worst day and the day he wrote the Diagram enough to alter the cognitive realm landscape? If so, how quickly would it have reverted the next day? (He wasn't/couldn't think about it any more, but the information was all recorded...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkum Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 2 hours ago, Jondesu said: From what we've seen in the books, I would guess the minimum is simply whether it would reach the bindpoint it needs to hit, and if it actually contacts blood (which wouldn't be tough, if it doesn't need much). Zane comments on how small the one he's using for the one guy is, and how it's barely more than a needle, I think, though it was long enough to pierce the heart. Yea, I mean, hemalurgy doesn't seem to use a whole lot of investiture to begin with, so I assume that if there is a minimum amount needed, i is probably microscopic. I mean we have seen earrings function as hemalurgic spikes, so obviously the Inquisitors' gigantic spikes are probably not necessary....though that brings me to a further elaboration question: assuming ther is some minimum, is there any benefit, aside from just being easier to hit a bindpoint, for having a larger spike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 11 minutes ago, Dunkum said: is there any benefit, aside from just being easier to hit a bindpoint, for having a larger spike? For the Inquisitors in TLR era, the fear inspired by giant spikes. Freed Ruin era, larger spikes can serve as larger Metalminds for the appropriate attributes, and TLR kinda made it a tradition. Bigger(longer) spikes are also better to spike someone else in battle, as one tried to do in.. HoA. Small spikes are stealth spikes for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkum Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 53 minutes ago, The One Who Connects said: For the Inquisitors in TLR era, the fear inspired by giant spikes. Freed Ruin era, larger spikes can serve as larger Metalminds for the appropriate attributes, and TLR kinda made it a tradition. Bigger(longer) spikes are also better to spike someone else in battle, as one tried to do in.. HoA. Small spikes are stealth spikes for the most part. sure, all of that applies, but I mostly meant hemalurgically. like does a larger spike decay more slowly etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 I'm not sure if the following has been asked yet or not, but here goes: If someone brought a Seon to Roshar, could they develop a Nahel bond with it? If yes, would they develop surges related to the Seon's Aon, the existing surges in a new pattern, or something new and scary/interesting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 17 hours ago, Dunkum said: sure, all of that applies, but I mostly meant Hemalurgically. like does a larger spike decay more slowly etc. Now that you say that, I feel like that has been said somewhere before. Coppermind doesn't have it though.. 14 minutes ago, Stark said: If someone brought a Seon to Roshar, could they develop a Nahel bond with it? If yes, would they develop surges related to the Seon's Aon, the existing surges in a new pattern, or something new and scary/interesting? Here Quote Could a Seon, or a Skaze, could they turn into a, some sort of Shardblade on their own planet? Brandon Sanderson That is theoretically possible. It's—I mean they work under the same fundamentals, but they would need to have something to pull them more into the physical realm. here Quote I believe that you said that the Seons on Roshar would bond similarly--Would that work in the opposite direction? Brandon Sanderson Meaning what? Someone from Roshar could they bond a Seon? Oh, would Spren bond-- Yes that could happen. and here Quote If an Elantrian bonded to a Seon and traveled to Roshar, would that act as a Nahel bond? Brandon Sanderson It would act very very similarly, yes. But it would be like… it wouldn't necessarily do the exact same things. It would be treated the exact same way, but wouldn't grant the same powers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 Wow, nice. Thanks @The One Who Connects! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 It's possible to steal a dead Shardblade with Hemalurgy. So, what would have happened if a Soulbearer tried to store that part of his soul where the bond to Shardblade is hooked to him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 Just now, Oversleep said: What would have happened if a Soulbearer tried to store that part of his soul where the bond to Shardblade is hooked to him? I feel that Nicrosil might be affected just like the other metals in that you can't store/tap from a specific area of the body. Can't only strengthen legs, can't tap warmth only in the hands, etc... but I may be taking bind points on the body a bit too literally in this instance. It just makes sense that if you can only get so specific in what you store for one metal, it should follow for the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 19 minutes ago, The One Who Connects said: I feel that Nicrosil might be affected just like the other metals in that you can't store/tap from a specific area of the body. Can't only strengthen legs, can't tap warmth only in the hands, etc... but I may be taking bind points on the body a bit too literally in this instance. It just makes sense that if you can only get so specific in what you store for one metal, it should follow for the others. On the other hand there is copper - you store specific memories, not everything at once. Also, this WoB: *looks hard* hm, can't find it - it's something about storing nicrosil, that "the powers are stored separately". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmosowner Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 Can you break/shatter a shardblade and it was a living spren could they just reform immediately? How would aluminum effect the blade as it is essentially the corpse of a being made of investiture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vissy Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 What would a Desolation look like on another Shardworld, for example Scadrial? Would the Final Empire, with the Lord Ruler, have been able to survive a Desolation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) Would Mistborn with mixed Threnodian blood be able to burn silver? What would have happened? Edited January 19, 2017 by Oversleep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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