Patrick Star Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 (edited) Sorry if this is short and not fully developed. I am on my phone, and will update when I get to an actual keyboard.I was thinking about stoneward powers in another thread, and realized that combining tension and cohesion could allow for material transmutation, like lead into gold.When harnessed properly, this could allow a stoneward to become a technomancer.Instead of just wearing shardplate, stonewards could create veronica-style powered armor to bust through thunderclasts and the like.They could give every radiant a minigun and loads of amunition to mow through voidbringers.And instead of fighting voidbringers on roshar, they could build a rocket ship to bring nightblood to Braize so that he can eat odium.Edit: Alright, so I'm at my computer now, so I'll elaborate a bit. So, we know that atoms exert forces on each other. That's what keeps a block of ice a block of ice. We also know that subatomic particles exert forces on each other. That's what keeps an atom an atom. Basically, I'm thinking that an experienced Stoneward could manipulate these forces to rearrange atoms and atomic particles in order to alter its properties. For example, one could take 2 moles of Lithium atoms and combine them into a mole of Carbon atoms (atomic # 3 to atomic # 6). Or, he could create a highly precise alloy, such as a piece of steel with a coating to prevent rust and oxidation. Or maybe create solid rocket fuel (which is awesome). Or, this could allow Roshar to have unlimited nuclear power, as they could just convert the nuclear waste back into nuclear fuel after each highstorm. Without a truly massive amount of stormlight, this would likely be limited to solids (and a few liquids), as other states of matter do not have the same forces holding them together. Either way, so many possibilities! Edited July 25, 2015 by Patrick Star 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Honor Spren Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 And instead of fighting voidbringers on roshar, they could build a rocket ship to bring nightblood to Braize so that he can eat odium.Giving you an upvote, just because I want Nightblood to do that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Slowswift Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Sounds fun, although I can't seem to figure out how cohesion and tension would do that... could somebody explain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Star Posted July 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 (edited) Sounds fun, although I can't seem to figure out how cohesion and tension would do that... could somebody explain? I'm thinking that the interaction between the two could allow trained stonewards much finer control than with the two seperately. Cohesion is strong axial connections bonds, and tension is soft ones. So, I'm thinking that stonewards may get control of all the connections, basically. With both combined, you could theoretically rearrange matter at the subatomic level, with enough practice. Edited July 24, 2015 by Patrick Star 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arondell Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Well...Wouldn't you kind of need to have some awareness of how the subatomic particles interacted? Does Roshar even have a working theory of matter at the atomic level? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Star Posted July 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Well...Wouldn't you kind of need to have some awareness of how the subatomic particles interacted? Does Roshar even have a working theory of matter at the atomic level? Probably not. But I'm willing to bet that there may be some worldhoppers on Roshar who do. Like Hoid. I'd be surprised if he didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelek's Breath Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Upvote for: they could build a rocket ship to bring nightblood to Braize so that he can eat odium. But, what happens when a sword that wants to destroy evil kills Odium and picks up the shard? A Shard that Hates Evil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParadoxicalZen Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Stonewards: The fullmetal alchemists of Roshar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oudeis Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Umm... Soulcasting. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamEternal Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Umm... Soulcasting. Jasnah: You are a hydrogen bomb! Rock(not the horneater): I am a ro... Jasnah: No, you aren't! ... And so the shattered plains were shattered an third time 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightGradient Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 So basically, you are saying that Stonewards would need to first understand atomic theory well enough to separate individual electrons, protons, and neutrons, then apply said trons to other atoms, on a MASSIVE level just because of how many atoms would be in the space required for a minigun, then harness even more electrons to fuel it, and finally, they have to know what a minigun is. If so, could they theoretically make shardplate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Star Posted July 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Umm... Soulcasting. In my head, this would be more precise than Soulcasting, but require a lot more Stormlight and experience to do. And likely be limited to changing solids to other solids, as the atoms exert more force on each other. A soulcaster may be able to turn a rock into a sheet of metal, but the hypothetical Stoneward could give it a silicon-germanium substrate with metal and oxide overlays to create a microchip. That sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oudeis Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 ...the hypothetical Stoneward could give it a silicon-germanium substrate with metal and oxide overlays to create a microchip. ...Which would require knowledge of what a microchip is and how to make one. And since you're doing it atom-by-atom, it would presumably be faster and easier to just have the Elsecaller turn five rocks into the base metals you need and have a skilled technician (who might be the same person) use that to make a microchip. Y'know, decades or centuries down the line when someone invents a microchip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Star Posted July 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 ...Which would require knowledge of what a microchip is and how to make one. And since you're doing it atom-by-atom, it would presumably be faster and easier to just have the Elsecaller turn five rocks into the base metals you need and have a skilled technician (who might be the same person) use that to make a microchip. Well, you'd need the wafer, a carbon dioxide laser, a vacuum chamber and cleanroom, a huge power source to power the carbon dioxide laser, 6 molybdenum-silicon bilayer mirrors with a protective rubidium coating, a mechanism to control the tin droplets, a magnetic field generator to collect debris emissions, photoresist, and a defect-free photomask with the right pattern on it to get that microchip. And those are just the basic ingredients for the die. After that, you need to package it. And I'm not even including what you'd need to calibrate the tools in the first place. It's exponentially more difficult than having a stoneward handle it. I'm not saying that this is going to happen, I'm just saying that it could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oudeis Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 ...all of which is STILL easier than constructing literally anything molecule by molecule. Two grams of water is an entire mole. If it were as simple as counting, you could still do all that stuff to make a microchip faster. Just counting every molecule in two grams of water would take 1x10^17 years assuming you count a number a second. I cannot find good information on the average weight of a microchip but even if it's a quarter of that, it's still millions of years before you have one microchip. Also, that's not how the Surges Tension or Cohesion work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Star Posted July 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Also, that's not how the Surges Tension or Cohesion work. It's not like we've seen them in action yet. And we definitely have no idea how they'll interact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herdazian Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 As far as I know tension is making something that is non rigid such as cloth rigid (strong interaxial force) and vice versa for cohesion I don't think they can alter positioning of atoms only the forces that are in them and the structure that composes them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOUTAGOD Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Mind Bombs!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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