Perrin Aybara Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 I was just thinking, and based off of personality alone, I'd think that Lopen would be a Willshaper. I'm not sure, though, so I figured to make this into a topic so that experts that aren't biased could debate it out, too. What do you guys think that Lopen will end up as? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurkistan Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 I think he's a Windrunner squire at the moment; so he needn't necessarily become a full Radiant. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Aybara Posted July 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 I suppose that has merit. The Windrunners had many squires, and the Lopen is in Kaladin's Bridge. Lopen was kind of taken under Kaladin's wing. What if he created another order of the Knight's Radiant? I could totally see that. "This will be called the Order of the Lopens. Or better yet, the One-Armed Herdazians! The once One-Armed Herdazians!" That's totally going to be a Lopen quote. The Obnoxiousjokers. The newest order created for the Final Desolation alone. They'll tell bad jokes and the parshendi, unable to take it, will throw themselves into chasms in the ground, and then the Greatshells will kill them all. All of the ones that escape will be chased around by the Lopen, who will tell even more bad jokes and maybe throw some chouta at them. BAM!! The World of Roshar is saved! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Arum Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 Well, technically, there is evidence that he is probably one of Kaladin's squires since there does not appear to be a spren associated with Lopen. Aslo, I hate to break it to you Willshaper, but you know...he's no longer a One-armed Herdazian, so his order would have to be The Two-Armed Former One-Armed Herdazians. And if you don't like it he'll give you a two-handed rude gesture! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Aybara Posted July 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 Hahaha! Lol. Okay, the Two-Armed Formerly One-Armed Herdazian Obnoxiousjokers. Got it. I should add that to my thingamajingy under my posts. Thanks. And according to the Knights Radiant quiz you're a Willshaper too, fellow brother-in-arms. You should want Lopen to be a Willshaper. But, you and Kurkistan are probably right. He'll be Kaladin's squire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Honor Spren Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 How does squire-ing even work? It's obvious they can hold Stormlight, but can they use both the surges? Or just one? Would Syl be able to appear as a shard blade for them if they need it? What? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Aybara Posted July 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 (edited) Good question. Not sure, exactly. There has to be a lot of stuff that Brandon is just frothing at the mouth to tell us in the rest of the Stormlight Books. But for now, all we know is that they aren't full knights and they aren't able to do everything that a full knight does. Any thoughts, anyone? Everyone upvote phantasmagorically's post below Edited July 17, 2015 by TheWillshaper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantasmagorically Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 it"s the order of the Ganchos 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParadoxicalZen Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 (edited) Well, it depends. Squires could be Radiants-in-training, where they learn to exemplify the qualities of their particular order in hopes attracting a spren, and / or as well (more in the case of Windrunners) as part of a unit/squadron/platoon etc etc. As for abilities, i think it just extends to stormlight inhalation/enhancement/healing, and perhaps being in close proximity to their bonded Radiant helps boost the abilities of both squires and Radiant to more than they would be apart, although that is a guess. Edited July 17, 2015 by ParadoxSpren 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of nowhere Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 most people think squires get the passive bonus of stormlight, but no activesurges. we stilll don't know foor sure, though. lopen'ss potential order was already discussed in the past, here http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/8048-the-lopens-order but i will repeat what i said at the time: the lopen is an order all by himself, with the power to summon cousins to do his bidding we may tentatively call his surges cousingbinding and favorcalling here an example of how his power works: -kaladin can fly with the power of stormlight. lopen cannot, but he has a cousin who has a cousin who owns an airplane factory, and owes him a few favors, so he can loan a plane (favorcalling) and fly. -Kaladin can fight like a little god with the power of stormlight. lopen cannot, but after all they've been through kaladin is practically his cousin (cousinbinding), so lopen can get kaladin to fight for him (favorcalling again). 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Star Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 Lopen was kind of taken under Kaladin's wing. This is the understatement of the year. Without Kaladin, Lopen would have had a 100% chance of death. One armed bridgeman with a big mouth? Yeah, that's not going to fly. He'd go to the front on the final approach. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twenty@20 Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 most people think squires get the passive bonus of stormlight, but no activesurges. we stilll don't know foor sure, though. lopen'ss potential order was already discussed in the past, here http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/8048-the-lopens-order but i will repeat what i said at the time: the lopen is an order all by himself, with the power to summon cousins to do his bidding we may tentatively call his surges cousingbinding and favorcalling here an example of how his power works: -kaladin can fly with the power of stormlight. lopen cannot, but he has a cousin who has a cousin who owns an airplane factory, and owes him a few favors, so he can loan a plane (favorcalling) and fly. -Kaladin can fight like a little god with the power of stormlight. lopen cannot, but after all they've been through kaladin is practically his cousin (cousinbinding), so lopen can get kaladin to fight for him (favorcalling again). My morning looks so much better after reading this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colours Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 I was going to make a joke about him being a WindLoper, but I have been as thoroughly defeated as a formerly one-armed Herdazian realising that his one-armed Herdazian jokes are now useless. The Lopen can be the guy waving at you on the left end of the Windrunner glyph who you can see if you squint really, really hard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParadoxicalZen Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 Well now he can make two-armed herdazian jokes! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colours Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 Well now he can make two-armed herdazian jokes! But wouldn't that make him 'armful? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParadoxicalZen Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 (edited) Not when both arms are making rude gestures! Besides, he's got cousins of cousins of cousins whos knows cousins for that sort of thing. Edited July 18, 2015 by ParadoxSpren 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadspyder88 Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 I feel like Lopen will be a squire, and I bet squires will only be able to draw in Stormlight for everything besides the gravitation and adhesion of wind runners. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Aybara Posted July 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 most people think squires get the passive bonus of stormlight, but no activesurges. we stilll don't know foor sure, though. lopen'ss potential order was already discussed in the past, here http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/8048-the-lopens-order but i will repeat what i said at the time: the lopen is an order all by himself, with the power to summon cousins to do his bidding we may tentatively call his surges cousingbinding and favorcalling here an example of how his power works: -kaladin can fly with the power of stormlight. lopen cannot, but he has a cousin who has a cousin who owns an airplane factory, and owes him a few favors, so he can loan a plane (favorcalling) and fly. -Kaladin can fight like a little god with the power of stormlight. lopen cannot, but after all they've been through kaladin is practically his cousin (cousinbinding), so lopen can get kaladin to fight for him (favorcalling again). Heck yes! That's much better thn my made up order of Two-Armed formerly One-Armed Herdazian Obnoxiousjokers! Everyone upvote king of nowhere's post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasitor's Tanavast Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 it"s the order of the Ganchos May the herdazian henchmen be ever with you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilNuff Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 I think its definitely a squire thing. If he had a spren of his own that would have been called out/shown. Further there were specific mentions of Windrunner squires and Kaladin had just spoken a new oath. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasitor's Tanavast Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 But wouldn't that make him 'armful? The Lopen is not full of arms. The Lopen is full of DELICIOUS CHOUTA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unhinged Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 I was going to make a joke about him being a WindLoper, but I have been as thoroughly defeated as a formerly one-armed Herdazian realising that his one-armed Herdazian jokes are now useless. And that is what finally broke Lopen. He may now bond a spren whenever he wants 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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