Blaze1616 Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) How much should be read before taking on Secret History? (I know, I know, up to Bands Of Mourning) I am talking about cases like people who read only Mistborn books. Should they read Stormlight Archive before Secret History? Well, maybe Elantris. Definitely Elantris and Shadows for Silence in the Forests of Hell. I'd also highly, highly recommend both Way of Kings and Words of Radiance before reading Secret Histories. You should also be reading Warbreaker before Words of Radiance. Now, if you don't care about noticing Cosmere things, then just Elantris and Shadows for Silence in the Forests of Hell. Edited February 2, 2016 by Blaze1616 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Uh-oh. I myself have read most of cosmere, I was just asking to know how to adjust spoiler policy on FB group I'm in (and to adjust Reading Order). Since 90% of the group has only read SA and first four Mistborns... SfSitFoH is currently unavailable in my country and I doubt it will be translated before Oathbringer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaze1616 Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Uh-oh. I myself have read most of cosmere, I was just asking to know how to adjust spoiler policy on FB group I'm in (and to adjust Reading Order). Since 90% of the group has only read SA and first four Mistborns... SfSitFoH is currently unavailable in my country and I doubt it will be translated before Oathbringer. I don't want to say more at risk of breaking the current spoiler policy, so if you'd like a bit more details without plot spoilers then PM me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneSpren Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 How much should be read before taking on Secret History? (I know, I know, up to Bands Of Mourning) I am talking about cases like people who read only Mistborn books. Should they read Stormlight Archive before Secret History? I would suggest reading all of them, for the UTTER AMAZINGNESS residing in each book. But before Secret History you really only need to know what happened on Sel. So Elantris, and maybe TES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mailliw73 Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 Personally, I don't think you even need Elantris. Yeah, it'll help, but I don't think it or BoM is necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 It's never necessary to read anything else though. The cosmere references will just go way over your head, which defeats the point of reading cosmere books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mailliw73 Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 It's never necessary to read anything else though. The cosmere references will just go way over your head, which defeats the point of reading cosmere books. I just thought it was a great companion to the original trilogy. The cosmere stuff was definitely interesting, but not the main focus, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 I don't think any book so far has ever focused on cosmere stuff outright. There's always a more pressing plot to go through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormgate Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 But some more than others. The Emperor's Soul, a little bit of Hero of Ages, pretty much everything in SA though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 And I think SH has some of the bigger bits regarding the Cognitive Realm and Shards we've seen, all things considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Bard Posted February 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 (edited) Okay. I haven't been on here in a while, so I'll just answer a ton of questions now. RE The Emperor's Soul (can't find the specific post where the conversation began): I'll make it yellow. I think it works better. If we're including the short stories in this graphic, you're missing The Eleventh Metal, a Mistborn short story that's set prior to The Final Empire. Other than that, this is a cool concept, and I can't wait to see it expand as the cosmere grows. Hopefully one day Shadows for Silence and Sixth of the Dusk will have connections to the main series as well. I'll get onto that. Thanks for the heads up. The Young Bard, navybrandt, can I... borrow... that image? I want to post it on the polish site of Sanderson works. I would translate it, and of course I would credit you both. You're more than welcome to borrow it as far as I'm concerned. I did this for other Sanderfans, so it makes sense that they should be able to see it. (Sorry for the delay. I only just saw this.) How much should be read before taking on Secret History? (I know, I know, up to Bands Of Mourning) I am talking about cases like people who read only Mistborn books. Should they read Stormlight Archive before Secret History? Well, I'd put a loose tie before Elantris. It's not a "must-do" to read, but it helps a lot. (I can't really say more, or admins will start editing this post. ). SSFH I can understand, but I don't actually recall the particular character appearing in SSFH at all, so I probably wouldn't if it were me. If I did, I would also put a loose tie from SSFH to WoK when he was painting the bridgeman.) I don't recall any Roshar references though... So, unless someone/something changes my mind, that's a loose tie to Elantris. (It might become a firm tie though. I'm trying to work out how confusing it would be from a non-Elantris aware person.) Edited February 13, 2016 by The Young Bard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon314 Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 You MUST read war breaker before WoR, otherwise one of the biggest cliffhangers and surprising moments is lost.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugsy Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 The reading order I'd recommend very much fits into this . The order I'd suggest is: The Final Empire The Well of Ascension Hero of Ages Warbreaker Elantrias The Emperor's soul Way of Kings Words of Radiance Alloy of law Shadows of Self Bands of Mourning Secret History Spoilered for length Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Bard Posted March 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 You MUST read war breaker before WoR, otherwise one of the biggest cliffhangers and surprising moments is lost.. Personally, I think it's a should rather than a must. I read Warbreaker before WoR, but I didn't know what the Cosmere was and didn't pick up on the link until later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon314 Posted March 27, 2016 Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 Personally, I think it's a should rather than a must. I read Warbreaker before WoR, but I didn't know what the Cosmere was and didn't pick up on the link until later. Well it's mostly about the end not the comsere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 (edited) How about a completing a reading order which is optimized for maximal cosmere-awareness? I mean an order which puts Way Of Kings after Mistborn First Era, Elantris and White Sand solely because of the Purelake worldhoppers? We want to minimize the amount of missing references and easter eggs. We also want to keep as consistent as possible - Eleventh metal is a prequel to Final Empire, so it had to be read in the least time apart. Of course, it can't be avoided with Secret History, as in such order it has to be read last of the currently avalaible cosmere. Bolded segments are to be read in that order, the same color can be switched around. So it's always Blue-> Green -> Orange. Spoiler for length. The Final Empire Eleventh metal The Well of Ascension Hero of Ages Elantris Hope of Elantris The Emperor's soul White Sand Way of Kings Warbreaker Words of Radiance Edgedancer Shadows for Silence in the Forests of Hell Sixth of the Dusk Alloy of law Allomancer Jak and Pits of Eltania Shadows of Self Bands of Mourning Secret History Did I miss any cosmere work? Edited August 6, 2016 by Oversleep 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRyan Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 On 8/6/2016 at 0:18 PM, Oversleep said: How about a completing a reading order which is optimized for maximal cosmere-awareness? I mean an order which puts Way Of Kings after Mistborn First Era, Elantris and White Sand solely because of the Purelake worldhoppers? We want to minimize the amount of missing references and easter eggs. We also want to keep as consistent as possible - Eleventh metal is a prequel to Final Empire, so it had to be read in the least time apart. Of course, it can't be avoided with Secret History, as in such order it has to be read last of the currently avalaible cosmere. Bolded segments are to be read in that order, the same color can be switched around. So it's always Blue-> Green -> Orange. Spoiler for length. Hide contents The Final Empire Eleventh metal The Well of Ascension Hero of Ages Elantris Hope of Elantris The Emperor's soul White Sand Way of Kings Warbreaker Words of Radiance Edgedancer Shadows for Silence in the Forests of Hell Sixth of the Dusk Alloy of law Allomancer Jak and Pits of Eltania Shadows of Self Bands of Mourning Secret History Did I miss any cosmere work? Using the idea of keeping things consistent and as close together as possible why is era 2 Mistborn being read so long after era 1? Why not just do all of Mistborn in one go and then pick up where Elantris is? As in, Spoiler The Final Empire Eleventh metal The Well of Ascension Hero of Ages Alloy of law Allomancer Jak and Pits of Eltania Shadows of Self Bands of Mourning Secret History Elantris Hope of Elantris The Emperor's soul White Sand Way of Kings Warbreaker Words of Radiance Edgedancer Shadows for Silence in the Forests of Hell Sixth of the Dusk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 41 minutes ago, CaptainRyan said: Using the idea of keeping things consistent and as close together as possible why is era 2 Mistborn being read so long after era 1? Why not just do all of Mistborn in one go and then pick up where Elantris is? Because: On 6.08.2016 at 9:18 PM, Oversleep said: We want to minimize the amount of missing references and easter eggs. We also want to keep as consistent as possible - Eleventh metal is a prequel to Final Empire, so it had to be read in the least time apart. Of course, it can't be avoided with Secret History, as in such order it has to be read last of the currently avalaible cosmere. Bands of Mourning for example have references to White Sand and Shadows for Silence in the Forests of Hell. Secret History has references to multiple stories (or rather worlds) and it should be read in close proximity of Bands of Mourning (I'd say SH cannot be read before BoM, but some people argue it could be). So the segment of Alloy of Law, Shadows of Self, Bands of Mourning and Secret History is the last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRyan Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 @Oversleep: Those are good points. I worry that waiting to read Secret History until the very end will greatly lessen its impact as most people will take a long, long time to get through all of the other books. Unless a reread of era 1 is done right before I would almost recommend reading Secret History right after era 1 and then use the knowledge obtained from M:SH to help you find easter eggs in the rest of the works. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrakeMarshall Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 (edited) In regard to Secret History, I would personally support the reading it after Era 2. As Oversleep noted, Secret History contains a spoiler for Bands of Mourning. More importantly in my opinion, however, is that it's actually kind of nice to give Secret History a read when it has been a while since you visited the first Mistborn trilogy. Reading it like this reminds you a lot about the story, even though it is still new content. I suppose for this ends, you could just reread the first trilogy after the second one, but Secret History is perhaps a nice alternative if it hasn't been too long. In regard to the major series. I would probably just say read Stormlight Archive after you have read the other ones. The existing Stormlight Archive books are best read after you have at least read the first mistborn trilogy and Wabreaker. Beyond that the order in which each series is more or less interchangeable. Edited August 10, 2016 by Drake Marshall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 (edited) On 10.08.2016 at 11:39 PM, Drake Marshall said: More importantly in my opinion, however, is that it's actually kind of nice to give Secret History a read when it has been a while since you visited the first Mistborn trilogy. Reading it like this reminds you a lot about the story, even though it is still new content. Yeah, the first sentence of Secret History has taken me on a trip through the memories back to First Era... although I have to admit that I've read Final Empire about 14 months ago, so it's not that long. EDIT: I'm doing my own chart. So many arrows pointing at Secret History... Edited August 13, 2016 by Oversleep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 A question. I haven't read White Sand yet, so any connections to the cosmere? Since it's currently the last published story, I guess it doesn't have any major connections (like Warbreaker -> WoR) and minor connections, since it's so early in chronology? On the other hand, I recall something about Purelake Wordlhopper being from White Sand (prose). Does it still stand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecthelion III Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 @Oversleep It's actually confirmed by Brandon. http://coppermind.net/wiki/Baon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 9 hours ago, Ecthelion III said: @Oversleep It's actually confirmed by Brandon. http://coppermind.net/wiki/Baon My question is: does he appear in the volume 1 of the graphic novel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeskarKomrk Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 1 hour ago, Oversleep said: My question is: does he appear in the volume 1 of the graphic novel? Yes he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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