Vortaan Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 I still think that the rules Tanavast talks about are more just the nature of their Shards. I doubt Honor can do much to empower slumlords, for example. Odium's true strength may be the flexibility of his Shard. You can use hatred to motivate a surprisingly large amount of actions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Ninja Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 I don't think everyone would agree with me, but I think that once a Shard Invests themself in something, they no longer have control over it and it can be freely used against them. It's not like Preservation could stop people from using Allomancy and Feruchemy if they were working at cross purposes to him. I think this can be exploited under certain circumstances, the first thing that comes to mind is Nicrosil Investiture Compounding, but that's probably too inefficient to be used on the scale of directly affecting a Shard by leeching away at the amount of Investiture available to them at a given moment. It might not even be a thing. But I still think if there was a way to scale it up, it would involve using multiple types of Investiture from various Shards. Which makes Hoid my favorite candidate, since he seems to be collecting stuff. Since Odium doesn't like to Invest, it not only gives him more available Investiture, it also ensures that Invested Odium can't be used against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meg Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 I'd say pretty difficult. Let's break it down like this. Szeth's Assets: Shardblade Skillful Windrunner Dalinar's Assets: Kaladin - Novice Windrunner, possibly more efficient with Stormlight due to Second Oath. Master spearman, has defeated a Shardbearer before Shallan - Novice Soulcasting abilities and a Shardblade Jasnah - Skillful Soulcaster, can be used from a distance Renarin - Plate, novice fighter Adolin - Full Shardbearer, master duelist Elite squad of former bridgemen Cobalt guard I think Dalinar's got a fighting chance, espeicially considering that he's no slouch himself, and has a few battalions of extremely loyal soldiers, some of which are also defending their families. To be fair, these guys won't be expecting him, and Szeth's killed hundreds of soldiers before. I hope I didn't miss this conclusion somewhere but while reading Dalinar's assets an idea popped up in my mind: Shallan ... "a Shardblade" ... --> Renarin "Plate" (but no Blade) -> May Renarin get Shallan's Blade? A side note: "Elite squad of former bridgemen (== Bridge Four)" == Cobalt Guard now (because Dalinar sent the rest of his remaining Cobalt Guard to expand the King's Guard. Or did you mean the King's Guard here (because for sure at least most of them are Dalinar's loyal followers?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vortaan Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 I hope I didn't miss this conclusion somewhere but while reading Dalinar's assets an idea popped up in my mind: Shallan ... "a Shardblade" ... --> Renarin "Plate" (but no Blade) -> May Renarin get Shallan's Blade? A side note: "Elite squad of former bridgemen (== Bridge Four)" == Cobalt Guard now (because Dalinar sent the rest of his remaining Cobalt Guard to expand the King's Guard. Or did you mean the King's Guard here (because for sure at least most of them are Dalinar's loyal followers?). Or Shallan could get Renarim's Plate. That would be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windrunner Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 Personally, I don't want to see Shallan lose her Blade. It'd be pretty cool to see her summon it just in time to stop Szeth from assassinating Dalinar or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leuthie Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 Do.we know Shallan has a blade from WoK or WoB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windrunner Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 I've got an interview where he explicitly confirms it to be posted shortly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Monstrosity Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 Do.we know Shallan has a blade from WoK or WoB? If she doesn't have a blade, then what she's counting heartbeats to summon is an even bigger mystery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meg Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 I've got an interview where he explicitly confirms it to be posted shortly. If she doesn't have a blade, then what she's counting heartbeats to summon is an even bigger mystery. I'm curious about news (like this Windrunner heralds (^^)), but had took the earlier statement from BS that "this 10 heartbeats mean what we think they mean" (paraphrased) as "given proof" for Shallan possessing a Shardblade. But: The more the merrier, and if it's not a 'roundabout'-statement, I'd be happy (not to mention the fact that I hunger for new informations). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leuthie Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 So its from the book. Must have read the section she counts heartbeats too fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordofsoup Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 So back on topic. I dont really understand how it would be possible for Harmony not to win vs Odium. His two shards are possibly the best for attacking and defending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morsk Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 Maybe Odium can disrupt the balance between the two Shards, attack in a way that makes Sazed use Ruin exclusively to counter him, and not Preservation, or something like that. If Sazed used the power in a one-sided way, the whole thing might blow up on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krelian Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 Brandon said something about Sazed not being able to truly use both Shards at full power at the same time, since they work against one another. So Sazed might fair better than any individual Shard against Odium, but it wouldn't be a sure victory by any means. I can't remember where exactly it was, someone with a better feel for where the various interviews are catalogued can probably find the quote a lot faster than I could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninch Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 I'd imagine Jasnah couldn't soul cast Szeth while he held stormlight. Maybe because he's invested, I just dont see that happining while he's holding stormlight. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galavantes Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 So back on topic. I dont really understand how it would be possible for Harmony not to win vs Odium. His two shards are possibly the best for attacking and defending. It's entirely possible that Harmony has no intention of battling Odium at all. We think of Harmony as being good because he is Sazed, but really he is balance. Like a true neutral character. Now if Odium gets out of control and seriously throws off the balance in the cosmere then yeah maybe...but until then I find it more likely that Harmony would actually just attempt to manipulate events to keep everything in line, rather than throwing down for a battle royal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Monstrosity Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Sazed is managing to remain mostly uneffected, if I recall correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galavantes Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Sazed is managing to remain mostly uneffected, if I recall correctly. Personality wise definitely, but perhaps when it comes to the way he uses his power he has to be a little more discrete. We even saw it in AOL when he said he has to be careful about playing favorites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Monstrosity Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 I dunno, it kinda seems to me that it's self balancing. I mean, he uses some ruin, that weakens his ruinyness, so he's more likely to use more preservation next, bringing him back to balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vortaan Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 I dunno, it kinda seems to me that it's self balancing. I mean, he uses some ruin, that weakens his ruinyness, so he's more likely to use more preservation next, bringing him back to balance. I don't think he can do one without doing the other, or he'd upset his balance too much. Remember that Preservation and Ruin don't play well together. I think it's likely fueling Allomancy derived from Hemalurgy is Ruin-y enough to counteract some Preservation... and I doubt Wax is drinking pewter with his steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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