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I've seen it mentioned a few times in other threads, so I figured it might be worth starting one here for fans of TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, Abramsverse or whatever else.

So... Any takers?

Personally - I'm a terrible fan. The only shows I've really watched are DS9 and Enterprise.

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I've watched some of all the series of Trek, mostly TNG or Voyager. I watched a bit of the original and want to watch more, and a good chunk of Enterprise. The only one I didn't enjoy was DS9. In all honesty, I found the characters to be dull and the first few episodes had boring plots. I've heard it gets better but I didn't want to wait for it.

My favorite is Voyager. I watched the entire thing, save for one or two episodes.

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DS9 is my favorite, though it does start really poorly. Later there's an entire epic war. I love it. There are long-standing plots and story arcs, which I really dig. TNG is good, but I feel like there's only so much awesomeness you can have from episodic, mostly unrelated crises. The truly excellent stuff comes from season-wide epic story arcs. DS9 had a spectacular ending, actually wrapping up all the plot lines. Compare that to TNG, it just... ends--though its finale is good, it doesn't mean there can't be a bunch more episodes later. DS9 had a freaking ending, and hey, there's a reason why I love Brandon Sanderson's stuff. Endings are the best parts.

(Though DS9's start sucks, absolutely.)

I've watched some TOS, TNG, DS9, and I think most Enterprise. Never really watched Voyager, though.

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About what season does it start out on? One of my friends really likes it so I really do want to get into it. Because its Trek, too.

Voyager I liked because of how new a lot of the concepts were. I enjoyed their long plot, having to get home, and the characters that were introduced and formed from it. Heck, they had a borg character. Pretty great. Plus, Janeway.

I like to watch TNG in my spare time because a lot of it is unrelated, too. I can just pick a random episode off Netflix and understand it pretty well without having to watch the past episodes.

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DS9 is space porn and worth the slow S1-2. I grew up on TNG so it's my fav. Never got much into Voyager. Enterprise is another slow S1 but S4 is amazing and this show has the best 2 parter episode in a Trek series for me where the Federation is a war machine instead of exploration.

Abrams reboot pissed me off to no end and I wasn't happy one single bit when he was announced to direct SW Episode 7.

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The Abrams reboots, I felt, were decent movies, but not the general Star Trek vibe. To be honest, I felt that they were more about cool action fight scenes than actual exploration, which is what Trek is. The reboot never captured that in my eyes. They were fun to watch, but it felt more like a fast paced action movie rather than a movie about scientific discovery.

I mean, sure, there were wars and action in all the Trek series, but that wasn't the whole story.

[Edit] I tried to use html rather than forum bbcode to italicize. My bad.

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The Abrams reboots, I felt, were decent movies, but not the general Star Trek vibe. To be honest, I felt that they were more about cool action fight scenes than actual exploration,

 

And lens flare.  Don't forget that there was lens flare.

 

Abrams does love himself some lens flare.

 

 

In all seriousness, I'm a second generation Trek fan; my mom had me indoctrinated from pretty much the womb. :)  I enjoyed the heck out of the Abrams films, but it's true, they weren't really Trek.  They sort of waved at Trek as they warped right past it with terrible science and lots and lots of lens flare.

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In all seriousness, I'm a second generation Trek fan; my mom had me indoctrinated from pretty much the womb. :)  I enjoyed the heck out of the Abrams films, but it's true, they weren't really Trek.  They sort of waved at Trek as they warped right past it with terrible science and lots and lots of lens flare.

 

Terrible science and even worse plots.

 

I didn't get into Trek until after Abrams first movie (so I I didn't see it in cinema, which is good, because the lens flares might have blinded me), but I did go to see Into Darkness- and that had to be one of the most disappointing movies I've sat through. And it only took four words for it to really derail for me.

 

Seriously? Khan?

 

Well, okay. I would have prefered the idea of John Harrison as a villain - a rogue Section 31 agent sounds like someone who really could be a huge danger to the Federation. But if you had to use Khan, couldn't you have done something more interesting with the guy?

 

Honestly, the way the movie was building, I had a few ideas of how it was going to end - and then was disappointed when none of them came true. When Nimoy appeared, warning them how Khan couldn't be trusted, I figured that was going to be the set-up for Khan turning on them; the Enterprise takes Nimoy!Spocks advice (in spite of Khan saving Kirk's life in the debris space jump), prompting Khan to fight back.

Or the ending. I was hoping that Khan was going to get away; considering how they kind of were pushing that securtiy vs freedom, drone strike stuff, I thought that might be an interesting way to leave those topics open for exploration in a future movie. Khan gets away, and becomes the Star Trek equivalent of Bin Laden, or a terrorist leader.

OR: Uhuru arrives too late. Spock beats Khan to death, meaning Kirk can't come back to life. (No idea why the other genetic supermens blood can't be used, but then, the movie didn't explain it either). So now, the timeline is even further altered; there will be no Admiral James T. Kirk, no great hero of the Federation. It would have hammered the theme about revenge being poison and an all together bad thing home harder if Spock got his revenge - at the cost of his friends life.

 

But nope. Instead, the movie ends... where I assumed it had ended last time, with them going out to explore new worlds. Major disappointment.

 

Anyway:

 

DS9 is pretty awesome, though I have to admit, I never saw the end of it- I think I got as far as season five? I'm not sure. But it's definitely a show which is worth a watch. It has a few bumpy episodes, particularly in the early seasons, but the characters are amazing. 

 

Enterprise is a wierd one though. I've described it ebfore as Star Trek: Missed Oppurtunities, and I stand by that description. The concept behind the show was pretty cool. The idea of humanity having evovled beyond prejudice and having created a utopia was always mentioned in the other shows; Enterprise gave them a chance to actually show how it happened. I can't get into TNG because I find the characters a bit cold for my liking (whereas they are a lot more human in DS9). Enterprise should have had a crew not dissimilar to modern-humanity and show how they end up becoming Picards, Kirks and Sisko's.

 

As I say, I liked the show... but the majority of the stuff I like comes from the third and fourth seasons (I think the only good thing in the first two is Shran, really). I've seen a lot of complaints that the Xindi Arc didn't make sense, that Star Trek should be about exploration rather han blowing stuff up - but I thought that that was the point of the storyline. 

 

Then season four happened, and everything just got so much better. It's a shame the show got canceled; if it hadn't, I think Archer would have become a much more popular character than he is. I get the complaints about him, but I thought the character had a lot of room to grow; it's just that the first two seasons didn't really have him change or develop. My take on the show was that season three left him traumatized, and season four was about building him back up again into a better man.

 

...The problem being that then the show got canceled. So when I say I like Enterprise,a lot of the time I mean "I like what Enterprise could, and should, have been, rather than what it was".

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Enterprise is a wierd one though. I've described it ebfore as Star Trek: Missed Oppurtunities, and I stand by that description. The concept behind the show was pretty cool. The idea of humanity having evovled beyond prejudice and having created a utopia was always mentioned in the other shows; Enterprise gave them a chance to actually show how it happened. I can't get into TNG because I find the characters a bit cold for my liking (whereas they are a lot more human in DS9). Enterprise should have had a crew not dissimilar to modern-humanity and show how they end up becoming Picards, Kirks and Sisko's.

 

As I say, I liked the show... but the majority of the stuff I like comes from the third and fourth seasons (I think the only good thing in the first two is Shran, really). I've seen a lot of complaints that the Xindi Arc didn't make sense, that Star Trek should be about exploration rather han blowing stuff up - but I thought that that was the point of the storyline. 

 

Then season four happened, and everything just got so much better. It's a shame the show got canceled; if it hadn't, I think Archer would have become a much more popular character than he is. I get the complaints about him, but I thought the character had a lot of room to grow; it's just that the first two seasons didn't really have him change or develop. My take on the show was that season three left him traumatized, and season four was about building him back up again into a better man.

 

...The problem being that then the show got canceled. So when I say I like Enterprise,a lot of the time I mean "I like what Enterprise could, and should, have been, rather than what it was".

 

Enterprise's spotty record makes a lot more sense when you watch who the showrunners were through the seasons.  The early seasons were when Berman & Braga ran the show.  Then they left, and it got good.  They then returned to write the series finale, which was by all accounts a terrible thing that completely ruins everything forever, OMG, plaid elephants  This is, however, hearsay as I have generally followed the advice of other Trek fans as to completely skip it and consider the penultimate episode to be the true finale.

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I'm quite a big Trek fan, and I own parts of the Original Series, all of TNG, DS9, and Voyager, and so far, none of Enterprise.

 

DS9 was my favourite. I thought it was considerably darker than other versions of Star Trek, with the schizophrenic Commander/Captain Sisko. DS9 also has my favourite Trek species (Trill), and ship (Defiant).

 

If anyone is interested in a Star Trek PBeM roleplay, check out Star Trek: Borderlands. It's been going for nearly 20 years, and has a number of different ships and stations you can play on. Because it has been going so long though, the later Trek movies are not considered canon (ie. Romulus still exists). If you would like to know more, Google "Star Trek Borderlands" and you'll find our site.

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Enterprise's spotty record makes a lot more sense when you watch who the showrunners were through the seasons.  The early seasons were when Berman & Braga ran the show.  Then they left, and it got good.  They then returned to write the series finale, which was by all accounts a terrible thing that completely ruins everything forever, OMG, plaid elephants  This is, however, hearsay as I have generally followed the advice of other Trek fans as to completely skip it and consider the penultimate episode to be the true finale.

 

The hearsay is absolutely true. That finale is one of the worst things I have ever seen... and bear in mind that I say that as someone who is a) a lukewarm Star Trek fan at best, B) watched it years after the show was canceled and c) was actually pretty interested to view that episode as a microcosm of Star Trek's television run as a whole.

 

And I still hate it to the point of irrationality. Sorry to belabour the point but... yeah, not a good finale.

 

The whole Terran Empire 2 part of Enterprise is so fun. I think it's in the last season? It has a reshot scene from First Contact movie where Cochran does something completely different from movie and then fun follows for the next 2 hrs. Imo anyway

 

Glad someone else thinks so! I admit, the "evil parrallel universe" gimmick  is one of my favorites, in any medium. The Enterprise two-parter was ridiculously fun, "Mirror Mirror" is one of the few episodes of TOS I've seen, and I generally liked the stuff set in DS9.  Shame we never saw a Mirror!Picard though.

 

I'm quite a big Trek fan, and I own parts of the Original Series, all of TNG, DS9, and Voyager, and so far, none of Enterprise.

 

DS9 was my favourite. I thought it was considerably darker than other versions of Star Trek, with the schizophrenic Commander/Captain Sisko. DS9 also has my favourite Trek species (Trill), and ship (Defiant).

 

If anyone is interested in a Star Trek PBeM roleplay, check out Star Trek: Borderlands. It's been going for nearly 20 years, and has a number of different ships and stations you can play on. Because it has been going so long though, the later Trek movies are not considered canon (ie. Romulus still exists). If you would like to know more, Google "Star Trek Borderlands" and you'll find our site.

 

Pretty much the only thing in this post that I don't like is the lack of mention for Bashir, because Bashir was awesome.

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So, some Abrams!Trek 3 News, bullet pointed for maximum laziness.

 

Co-writer: Simon Pegg

- Staring Idris Elba as... some new guy, because it's a big universe and there's no need to rehash the old storylines. 

-Apparently it's trying to "stay truer to the spirit of the classical show".

-Title: Star Trek Beyond

 

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Little late to this conversation, but definitely a Trek fan here. :D  We rewatched all of TNG as it was released in stunning Blu Ray over the months, and I was so it had to come to an end.  I love Data...and Picard...and Crusher..and [insert all main character names].  We're currently watching DS9 now and are in the last third of season 5.  I had only seen passing episodes when they were first airing (I was a teenager then and wasn't that into it), but am LOVING it as an adult.  The next plan is to watch Voyager, which we're borrowing from my husband's dad.  Then we'll probably move on to Enterprise.  Neither of us has finished Voyager (I went off to college and fell prey to my roommates' tv watching schedules) and the hubs also lost track of Enterprise due to the airing day of the week changing so much.  He liked what he saw of it though.  Sadly, I can't say I've seen much of the OS except random episodes when they used to show it on Nickelodean waaaayyyyy back in the day when it was a single channel, and the movies, of course.  

 

I like the Abrams movies for what they're worth.  They're just cool action movies, and I'm not too picky about those so long as they're better than the Transporter, which a friend described as being so bad it went back to being good. ;)  I still can't believe we paid money to see the first one...

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As Voyager is the only show I haven't seen I'm trying it. Only on episode 2.

Ed: ugh my biggest dislike in Sci Fi shows in the time travel theme. It can get to over my head keeping track of stuff and takes me out of the mood. That said both ep 2 & 3 dealt with this. Not cool back to back! I will keep watching but now it's time for more Destiny.

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I grew up watching reruns of the original series and have seen old films 2-4. I absolutely love the Abram's films, although admittedly the first is somewhat weak. With lack of much else to watch lately I've started watching some Next Gen and am quite surprised to find that I like it a lot more than the original series.

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On episode 8. I'm liking it. Im trying to pic the size of ship. It has to be smaller then 1701 A only holding 159 crew. I think A had around 300. D had over a 1000 so I'm thinking Voyager is even smaller then a D size warp nascell.

Yes I was trying to be a geek on purpose with the above.

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Pressing on with the geekiness. Voyager is slightly more than half of the size of the Enterprise D. 344m compared to 642m.

 

Ship comparison chart

 

The vast difference in crew complement is from a couple of different things. Ship system advances in the dozen or years between the Galaxy and Intrepid class ships coming out will be the main reason. Also, Voyager doesn't carry families, diplomats, and so on.

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Pressing on with the geekiness. Voyager is slightly more than half of the size of the Enterprise D. 344m compared to 642m.

 

Ship comparison chart

 

The vast difference in crew complement is from a couple of different things. Ship system advances in the dozen or years between the Galaxy and Intrepid class ships coming out will be the main reason. Also, Voyager doesn't carry families, diplomats, and so on.

 

Lengthwise she's half the size.  Enterprise's saucer section is where all of the crew and civilian quarters are, along with their amenities; Ten Forward, schools and so forth.  That's why the separation maneuver places the battle bridge on the nacelle section.

 

Voyager's saucer section is shaped differently (more streamlined, as she's designed to be capable of planetary landing, which Enterprise is not) and is much, much smaller than the one on Enterprise.  Again, you have all of the crew quarters in the saucer, but that's a lot less real estate than Enterprise's oversized one.

 

The size difference in the saucer sections is out of proportion with the actual ships' lengths, which is why Voyager seems to be so big compared to her crew complement.

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Yep I looked up lots of pics last night. The ship is long but extremely narrow compared to D. Less then half width if the pic is to scale. In any case I wouldn't want to be onboard that thing for 75 yrs with less than 100 people to keep me sane. D would be much more comfortable for that.

Ed: btw I'm on episode 12.

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