ostrichofevil Posted January 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Sorry; I didn't notice the second page. No, they can't Soulcast. Earlier, someone mentioned Soulcasting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Aybara Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Maybe this is why I chose this to be my order of the Knights Radiant... I think that Elhokar would be a cool Willshaper, but what makes people think that Eshonai will be one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvoraen Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 I'm not trying to put words in others' mouths, but I think it's a combination of the epigraph describing Willshapers as having a love of adventure, and Eshonai fitting the description of that epigraph quite a bit (she loved exploration). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ostrichofevil Posted March 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 That would make sense… Thank you for bringing my thread back (so I don't have to) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Anamaximder Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 I would think it works the other way too, such as: "A sword tries to cut your flesh, and shatters instead." Because you solidifed your skin layer that much that it can't be damaged. That sounds super boss. Could you do it to a Shardblade? Maybe that is why Hoid isn't scared of Shardblades. Cohesion and Tension.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tavash Shar Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 You guys are also missing something important. If you can increase or decrease Cohesion and tension in object you could cause an object to break down violently as its molecular bonds are severed.IE Molecular Fission. This is why the releasers sound so interesting to me. There opponents and even the environment around them exploding in a flash of nuclear fire at a touch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ostrichofevil Posted May 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 You guys are also missing something important. If you can increase or decrease Cohesion and tension in object you could cause an object to break down violently as its molecular bonds are severed. IE Molecular Fission. This is why the releasers sound so interesting to me. There opponents and even the environment around them exploding in a flash of nuclear fire at a touch. I'd guess that there are limits to this, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loni Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 Something I was thinking about, regarding Willshapers' use of Transportation and Cohesion, was that it would be akin to telekinesis. I can't think of a better way to describe this. I've been suspecting - and I doubt I'm alone in this - that Jasnah's ranged Soulcasting was due to combining it with Transportation, and that made me wonder if Willshapers could do the same with their abilities, thus making it seem like they're "shaping with their will," so that it seems they're utilizing Cohesion from a distance (via Transportation) to alter the bonds of objects while also moving them with Transportation. To other eyes, it looks like they're manipulating reality in front of them. I really like this idea -- I hadn't thought of combining the abilities. But, if that is the case, why did Jasnah have to put her finger into the strawberry jam? I was really excited about the possibilities until I remembered the jam. Now, I'm sad. I should also mention one thing, that I'm now dithering if Jasnah's ranged Soulcast was due to Transportation or not. She closed her eyes, and that could easily mean she was finding their flames in Shadesmar to force the change there, but it manifested as a ranged blast of Stormlight in the Physical realm. This is probably more likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremen Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 why did Jasnah have to put her finger into the strawberry jam? Do we know that she had to? (for plot reasons she did, so that Shallan could realize she soulcast the jam) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ostrichofevil Posted May 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 I really like this idea -- I hadn't thought of combining the abilities. But, if that is the case, why did Jasnah have to put her finger into the strawberry jam? I was really excited about the possibilities until I remembered the jam. Now, I'm sad. This is probably more likely. I don't think that she did have to since she was able to Soulcast people from several feet away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 Do we know that she had to? (for plot reasons she did, so that Shallan could realize she soulcast the jam) It seems clear she did not have to, but doing it from range has a few problems in this case: It makes a lightning bolt of Stormlight, which might be a little noticeable. In case she wasn't being assassinated, she wouldn't want Kabsal to know she was Soulcasting his jam. It seems to take more power. When Jasnah Soulcast two thugs from afar, it shattered her gems, but the one she touched to turn to diamond only dimmed the gem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasitor's Tanavast Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 If you look at the definition of cohesion it means 2 similar objects are united (simple def), could this mean that cohesion just makes one object like another (properties wise). For instance you could bind a stone to your armour so that it would take on the properties of stone and be stronger (lets say you choose the properties for now) or bind the ground to water so that enemy will sink and when the stormlight runs out it while turn back to rock. I know its a bit of a stretch of definition but if you look at all of the abilities and what they actually do you will find that it doesn't always completely match the definition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchcry Posted July 3, 2017 Report Share Posted July 3, 2017 On 7/29/2015 at 8:31 PM, Kasitor's Tanavast said: If you look at the definition of cohesion it means 2 similar objects are united (simple def), could this mean that cohesion just makes one object like another (properties wise). For instance you could bind a stone to your armour so that it would take on the properties of stone and be stronger (lets say you choose the properties for now) or bind the ground to water so that enemy will sink and when the stormlight runs out it while turn back to rock. I know its a bit of a stretch of definition but if you look at all of the abilities and what they actually do you will find that it doesn't always completely match the definition. That's a good way to think of it. It's definitely different than other theories I've read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Kelkamer Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 On 12/29/2014 at 4:13 PM, dvoraen said: Something I was thinking about, regarding Willshapers' use of Transportation and Cohesion, was that it would be akin to telekinesis. I can't think of a better way to describe this. I've been suspecting - and I doubt I'm alone in this - that Jasnah's ranged Soulcasting was due to combining it with Transportation, and that made me wonder if Willshapers could do the same with their abilities, thus making it seem like they're "shaping with their will," so that it seems they're utilizing Cohesion from a distance (via Transportation) to alter the bonds of objects while also moving them with Transportation. To other eyes, it looks like they're manipulating reality in front of them. In other words, I think Toph is more a Willshaper. I'm in love with this idea. Any updates on it after reading Oathbringer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulthwithian Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 One obvious use of Tension (per WoB's explanation) is to stand on very small points; e.g., the anime 'stand on the points of trees' and similar. You guys need a material scientist or mechanical engineer to explain exactly how powerful Tension would be as a Force. The physicial/scientific effect of Tension would be to raise the Young's modulus of a material. That would have all kinds of applications, such as having metal that just doesn't deform like it should. You could also (theoretically) have an actual piece of wood act like metal (instead of Soulcasting the wood to metal). What would be really interesting is if Cohesion and Tension can be used to transmute elements. If possible, it would be theoretically possible to change one metal to another, with clear and obvious benefits to allomancy. (Presumably aluminum would be excluded.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvoraen Posted August 2, 2018 Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 On 7/27/2018 at 4:37 PM, Kelkamer said: I'm in love with this idea. Any updates on it after reading Oathbringer? Stoneward use of Physical Tension really messed with the idea, that's for sure, but the concept really went sideways once it was oh-so-casually implied that Surges can be aspected to Physical, Cognitive, and/or Spiritual use. It made me wonder if we're going to see Willshaper being taken quite literally, by which I mean something like Cognitive Cohesion = extreme or reduced willpower. I can't begin to guess what use of Transportation Willshapers have now, if it differs from Elsecallers by much anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw something weird like "Cognitive Transportation" where your mind is literally elsewhere observing, not unlike an astral projection. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmnsquirtle Posted August 2, 2018 Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 6 hours ago, dvoraen said: I wouldn't be surprised if we saw something weird like "Cognitive Transportation" where your mind is literally elsewhere observing, not unlike an astral projection. This reminds me a lot of what Jasnah does with soulcasting, actually, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was a more fleshed-out ability of one of the other orders. On the other hand, I kind of expected truthwatchers to be the ones that could 'see' things, but I suppose we're going to have to wait for renarin's book to really see what he can do. Assuming he follows conventional truthwatcher rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Kelkamer Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 On 7/31/2018 at 8:19 AM, Ulthwithian said: One obvious use of Tension (per WoB's explanation) is to stand on very small points; e.g., the anime 'stand on the points of trees' and similar. You guys need a material scientist or mechanical engineer to explain exactly how powerful Tension would be as a Force. The physicial/scientific effect of Tension would be to raise the Young's modulus of a material. That would have all kinds of applications, such as having metal that just doesn't deform like it should. You could also (theoretically) have an actual piece of wood act like metal (instead of Soulcasting the wood to metal). What would be really interesting is if Cohesion and Tension can be used to transmute elements. If possible, it would be theoretically possible to change one metal to another, with clear and obvious benefits to allomancy. (Presumably aluminum would be excluded.) I actually am a Civil engineer and have spent countless hours studying cohesion and tension as forces, and transportation (as a design discipline, although not my focus). My focus is hydraulic, geotechnical, and construction engineering. Probably why I'm so hung up on figuring out what Willshapers can do lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadeshadow227 Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 On 12/30/2014 at 0:05 PM, Patrick Star said: I can already see Eshonai (if she becomes a willshaper) marching up to Voidbringer HQ and saying "That's a nice outpost you got there. It would be a shame if something were to... happen to it." ...Eshonai probably won't do something like that, as, last I checked, she was suffering from a rather debilitating ailment. Namely, being dead from drowning in stormwater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 15 minutes ago, Shadeshadow227 said: ...Eshonai probably won't do something like that, as, last I checked, she was suffering from a rather debilitating ailment. Namely, being dead from drowning in stormwater. According to the date of the post you quoted, it was a good 3 years before OB confirmed her death. Amazing what reading another book in a series can do for your knowledge level, isn't it? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormblessedSurvivor Posted October 17, 2018 Report Share Posted October 17, 2018 Do we know if Cohesion and Tension can be used from a range? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Kelkamer Posted October 18, 2018 Report Share Posted October 18, 2018 9 hours ago, StormblessedSurvivor said: Do we know if Cohesion and Tension can be used from a range? We don't currently have anything conclusive. My guess on the issue is: We saw a stoneward use cohesion in a vision. In that vision he had to reach out and touch the side of the mountain, invest it, and then shape a staircase out of it. To me, this is similar to how every time we have seen Shallan use soulcasting, she is holding the object (the cup and the Legendary Stick); while Jasnah we have seen multiple times use soulcasting from a distance. I don't know if it is from a WoB or just speculation on the forums, but I believe the prevailing theory is that Jasnah can soulcast from a distance because of transportation surge. There is a WoB stating that his original idea behind stonewards was "everything is clay in their hands, not just stone and rock, but everything". So, given that WoB and the examples from books I mentioned, I believe that Stonewards can shape absolutely any material that they can lay hands on. Willshapers on the other hand can manipulate a lot of material (I think at least soil and water since they actually have a cohesive force that can be calculated) from a distance, like Jasnah and her soulcasting from a distance. That's my thoughts and impression on the issue given what we (I) currently know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormblessedSurvivor Posted October 18, 2018 Report Share Posted October 18, 2018 That seems like it would work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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