ZeldaDad Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Yeah, I'm pretty sure ingesting Lerasium substitutes Snapping. A tiny Mistborn.... scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cromptj Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Easy to control though. Just mentally scar them by letting them burn gold once. I guarantee they won't try allomancy again for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pechvarry Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 They wouldn't have a past identity capable of unsettling them yet. Like a second language, they'd probably use it better than adult allomancers. Also, I thought Vin snapped very young. Perhaps during childbirth. Though that's different from knowing and using those powers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shardlet Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 She did indeed snap at childbirth. Brandon said it was a difficult delivery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeldaDad Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 Totally forgot Vin snapped at birth. Thanks guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robot Aztec Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 returnds dont need to eat do tehy breathe? not breathe Brath but air? can they drown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 I don't think the Returned need to breathe - though they probably do, out of habit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmurfAquamarineBodies Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Is adonalsium time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorridgeBrick Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Didn't Blushweaver die from bleeding out? The reason you die from blood loss is because your body is no longer receiving any of the oxygen it carries. If Returned didn't need to breathe, I don't think they could die from bleeding out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Didn't Blushweaver die from bleeding out? The reason you die from blood loss is because your body is no longer receiving any of the oxygen it carries. If Returned didn't need to breathe, I don't think they could die from bleeding out. This could be explained differently in the cosmere, though - your blood seems to be the source of your connection to your spiritual aspect (and so Hemalurgic spikes need to touch blood in order to steal pieces of your sDNA). I agree that it might be a bit of a stretch, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartbug Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Maybe Returned don't need to breathe (or eat) because they're Investiture generates both the food and the oxygen, but they deliver the magic power to the individual cells through the blood (if that makes any sense). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayv Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 I don't know how to word this properly but here goes. Allomancy = Preservation, Hemalurgy = Ruin, and Feruchemy = Preservation + Ruin. Theoretically, Before he was killed and his shard shattered, if he were to go to Scadrial and invest his power into it, would there be an additional 4 magic systems? Honor, Honor + Preservation, Honor + Ruin, and Honor + Preservation + Ruin? Do they choose whether their magic systems combine or does it just happen? Hopefully this question is understandable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kogs Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Is there a particular order we should be reading these books in? I know they can all be read separately but in terms of timeline, is there a good order? I'm guessing since Elantris was written first it should be read first? I've only read the Mistborn Trilogy and Stormlight Archive so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awesomeness Summoned Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Is there a particular order we should be reading these books in? I know they can all be read separately but in terms of timeline, is there a good order? I'm guessing since Elantris was written first it should be read first? I've only read the Mistborn Trilogy and Stormlight Archive so far. For the most part, the books have been published in a chronological order. As you said, though, most of them do not overlap too much story wise so except for maybe reading warbreaker before the WoR, you can read them in whatever order you'd like and won't be at a loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) I don't know how to word this properly but here goes. Allomancy = Preservation, Hemalurgy = Ruin, and Feruchemy = Preservation + Ruin. Theoretically, Before he was killed and his shard shattered, if he were to go to Scadrial and invest his power into it, would there be an additional 4 magic systems? Honor, Honor + Preservation, Honor + Ruin, and Honor + Preservation + Ruin? Do they choose whether their magic systems combine or does it just happen? Hopefully this question is understandable. Your question is understandable. Brandon has previously said there would be a potential for more systems. Keep in mind that there's three Shards on Roshar and only three systems of magic, though. Here's the WoB: ChaosLet's say hypothetically we get Ruin, Preservation, and Endowment to create a planet. Would there be *more* magic systems due to Endowment's involvement (think permutations), or would this specifically not work at all?Brandon SandersonIt could work. There is the potential for more magic systems. Our current best-guess (so far as I know) is the Intent Meshing theory. Essentially, certain Intents work well with each other (Devotion and Dominion) and 'mesh', so they only create one system. But the wildly differing Shards - Ruin+Preservation, for example, do not have their Investiture mesh (or it only meshes a small bit), meaning they each get their own magic systems, plus a combination of their Investitures to form another system. We can further say that Cultivation meshes very well with Honor and Odium (you can cultivate both), but Honor and Odium don't mesh, so we're going to get a system of Honor+Cultivation, Odium+Cultivation, and possibly a third system of Honor + Odium or of all three Shards. The theory has very little to go on, but a good amount of predictive power. We should only find one magic system on planets with one Shard, and we should find at least one on planets with more than one Shard. Edited March 17, 2014 by Moogle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyPilgrim Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 When did we first hear about Khriss and what do we know about her? I had never heard of her until my return to the site after finishing WoR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorridgeBrick Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 We learned about her from a recent WoB that states that she's the most knowledgeable person in the Cosmere, beating out even Hoid. She's also apparently the female protagonist of White Sands. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyPilgrim Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Thank you very much! That clears it up for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arceoxys Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Apologies if this has already been asked, but as a new-Cosmere (new, as in, new to trying to find all the Cosmere easter eggs, I've been reading Sanderson for years) I have been lurking and trying get a lot of information but there are a few things I haven't been able to find 1. How do we know Demoux is a Worldhopper? Have we seen him in other books, or is it a WoB? 2. Do we know why Worldhoppers are seemingly ageless (I would say immortal, but that might not be the case, but they do seem to not age) 3. This last one is seeing if anyone has any good guesswork, but do we know how people like Demoux or this mysterious Terriswoman found out about Worldhopping? Thanks! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurkistan Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 1. How do we know Demoux is a Worldhopper? Have we seen him in other books, or is it a WoB? He's "Thinker" in the Purelake interlude in WoK. This is both from his appearance and nuberous WoB's on the matter. 2. Do we know why Worldhoppers are seemingly ageless (I would say immortal, but that might not be the case, but they do seem to not age) We do not. It could be that worldhopping itself has some effects, or perhaps involves time-skipping. Source: ERIC LAKE () Can Hoid jump through time? If so, can Shards jump through time? BRANDON SANDERSON Hoid, so far, has only moved forward in time. He has not 'lived' all of those years, but has used some time dilation techniques. That said, he is far older (both in relative and real time) than a normal person can live. Source: MYCOLTBUG Are there any ramifications beyond leaving one's world behind when they world hop to other worlds? IE physical ailment, aging, time travel lag X1000 BRANDON SANDERSON Yes 3. This last one is seeing if anyone has any good guesswork, but do we know how people like Demoux or this mysterious Terriswoman found out about Worldhopping? Well Demoux, at the very least, is a member of the Seventeenth Shard, so they might have found him, conceivably. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 (edited) I have a question, which I suspect might have been in the book, so forgive me if I'm an idiot: How do you pass (Pass? I think it's capitalized) a Seon bond to another person? My understanding of spren bonds is that this sort of bond should require Snapping. (In fact, because we know that a Seon bond would confer passive benefits on the human if they went to Roshar, I am 99% positive it should require Snapping.) Edit: Yeah, there's even this to back me up: QuestionIs the bond between a Seon and its master similar to the Nahel bond between a Surgebinder and his spren?Brandon SandersonYes. I can't imagine people on Sel beat the person who is going to receive the Seon. Is it described anywhere in the book? Are there any WoBs on the matter? For the moment, I'm guessing that the threshold of Snapping was lowered by Devotion and that they can perform a ritual or something which will automatically Snap the person, much like the mists of Scadrial. Edited March 26, 2014 by Moogle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeiryWriter Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 I don't see how Snapping has anything to do with this? Anyway Brandon doesn't go into much depth, all that is said is that Seons can be Passed. They definitely don't beat anyone, if I remember correctly both Raoden and Sarene received their Seons at birth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurkistan Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Another option is that the strong regionality of Sel's magics just means that everyone already has a "magic slot" embedded in their souls from birth without the need for any additional tweaking to make them compatible with magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arceoxys Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Then, do we know what the 17th Shard is, or just we just know that it exists? Like, is it an organization of people (akin to the Ghostbloods) or is it an actual 17th Shard, like the other 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 (edited) I don't see how Snapping has anything to do with this? Anyway Brandon doesn't go into much depth, all that is said is that Seons can be Passed. They definitely don't beat anyone, if I remember correctly both Raoden and Sarene received their Seons at birth? Spren bonds require a spiritual connection, and Seon bonds are like spren bonds according to this WoB; Question Is the bond between a Seon and its master similar to the Nahel bond between a Surgebinder and his spren? Brandon Sanderson Yes. To get this sort of link, you need a 'wounded' spirit, as this WoB implies: Kchan How does Snapping work after Sazed changed it? If you don't want to reveal it all right now, are there any hints you can give us? Brandon Sanderson He couldn't get rid of this entirely. I don't want to spoil things, but Snapping was built into Allomancy primarily because of larger-scale magical issues. This is getting deep into the issue, but it has to do with a person's spiritual makeup and a 'wounded' spirit being easier to fill with something else, kind of like a cut would let something into the bloodstream. Sazed made this threshold on Scadrial much easier to obtain. To 'fill' a spirit with a bond to a Seon or spren, you need a wounded spirit, or so is my interpretation. I feel Devotion might have what Sazed did and lowered the threshold required to 'Snap' enough to get a Seon, though, which means Passing a Seon could probably just require a flick on the ear or something. Another option is that the strong regionality of Sel's magics just means that everyone already has a "magic slot" embedded in their souls from birth without the need for any additional tweaking to make them compatible with magic. Something along the lines of Breath, then? I'm not so certain of this theory, but it's possible I guess. I might accept it if only Aonic people could bond with Seons, though. I don't think there's a WoB on that, though, and Hrathen bonded a Seon, which seems to disprove the idea. I'll add the question to the Ultimate List, I guess. Edited March 26, 2014 by Moogle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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