Dryone Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 It's Shalash, one of the heralds. She's destroying all pictures and statues of herself, that's why her statue is missing in the prologue. Apparently she's revered as "Lady of Dreams" by the Emul. It also explains why Baxis can't decide her race. Thought's? 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munin Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 Do we know that Shalash is female? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dryone Posted September 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 Not for sure, but it sounds like a female name to me (cf. Shallan, Hashal) We do know there were female heralds, though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munin Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 Not for sure, but it sounds like a female name to me (cf. Shallan, Hashal) We do know there were female heralds, though. We do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycoltbug Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 Nothing I've read or heard has proven that there are female Heralds. We do know that there are female Radiants though from Dalinar. Are you sure Dryone you aren't confusing the Radiants with Heralds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dryone Posted September 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2010 You are right, I can't find any mention of female heralds. At least two of the heralds faces in the chapter headings look feminine, though (at least to me. But I also thought that the picture of Nalan'Elin depicted a woman). OTOH it nowhere explicitly says that all heralds were men, either. So I stand by my theory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverearth Posted September 24, 2010 Report Share Posted September 24, 2010 You are right, I can't find any mention of female heralds. At least two of the heralds faces in the chapter headings look feminine, though (at least to me. But I also thought that the picture of Nalan'Elin depicted a woman). OTOH it nowhere explicitly says that all heralds were men, either. So I stand by my theory! Five of the chapter faces are female. Six are male, and one only appears when Hoid/Wit is in the chapter. So assuming the other ten are the Herald's faces (which I think is pretty solid; you can see my thoughts about it here), that would mean there are five female Heralds. All five male Heralds are named (Jezrien, Nalan, Kalak, Talenel, Ishar), so it's a pretty safe bet that Shalash is female.And I really like the idea that Shalash might be the woman destroying the artwork. When I read that chapter, I thought it was just there to give a solid explanation of the Old Magic, but I was utterly bewildered by Baxis' mistress. This theory is as good as any, though I would like to point out that Shalash=Shash (theoretically) and the Primary Attribute of Shash is creativity. Kinda odd that she'd be destroying art, which could be considered the height of creativity. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Holmes Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 Not sure if anyone else noticed this, but his Mistress had the same type of eyes as the Knights Radiant. If you look at the various times we see a Knight Radiant, they all have "almost white" or "nearly white" eyes. She is the only person we see in the book who'd not a Radiant that has the eyes. Which makes me think that the idea that she's one of the Heralds is a pretty good one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munin Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 Not sure if anyone else noticed this, but his Mistress had the same type of eyes as the Knights Radiant. If you look at the various times we see a Knight Radiant, they all have "almost white" or "nearly white" eyes. She is the only person we see in the book who'd not a Radiant that has the eyes. Which makes me think that the idea that she's one of the Heralds is a pretty good one. Except that Talenel has dark eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew the Great Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 That being said, this is a truly awesome theory. Now that we've gotten past the Dula drama, we should start pestering Brandon with questions about whether we've seen heralds other than Taln in Way of Kings (not counting the prelude) and then try to work it down from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Holmes Posted September 26, 2010 Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 Except that Talenel has dark eyes. After looking at this I noticed that none of the Heralds we meet use Shardplate. Its the Shardplate that seems to give them their almost white eyes. I'm assuming its because Radiant shardplate is more powerful than the plate we see in WoK's. So either the Mistress used to be a Knight Radiant or if she was a Herald she used shardplate. I still think the idea of her being a Herald is a good one. I'm betting that shardplate just gets in some of the Heralds way, depending on their powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munin Posted September 26, 2010 Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 Yeah, I agree it's possible she's a herald. Hoid makes it pretty clear there's some significance to eye color in the last chapter, but I think we're just gonna have to wait and find out what that's about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timemaster11 Posted September 26, 2010 Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 See "Herald Chapter Pictures--Identities *spoilers*" topic for additional evidence for Baxil's mistress being Shalash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silus - Shard of Flame Posted September 29, 2010 Report Share Posted September 29, 2010 Page 285 of WoK. He began walking, leading Adolin around the back rim of the temple chamber. They passed statues of the Heralds, five male, five female. In truth, Adolin knew very little of what Kadash was saying. He Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew the Great Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 Also, it could be that she's ashamed of what she did on some level, and actually wants to eliminate herself from history as ever having existed. She's trying to make it appear that there were only ever nine heralds. Granted, that seems like it'd be near impossible to do, and you would think that with Vorinism as widespread as it is it actually would be impossible, but it sounded like decent motivation to me. I doubt that she'd actually care enough about making the point that she's turned her back on being a herald to do something as pointless as going around destroying art, especially 4500 years after turning her back on being a herald. It could also be possible that she's trying to avoid being recognized, though since no one actually recognizes her, that doesn't seem like a good possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Holmes Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 This is just a guess, but I'm thinking that she hates the fact that people worship her. From the prelude its obvious that the heralds don't see themselves as such, so she probably just wants to do what she can to stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyman Posted October 22, 2010 Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 Either that, or she's just a little bit nuts after all this time. BTW, I agree with the identification of Baxil's mistress. It took the inexplicable, and made it make at least a little more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew the Great Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 That, and Brandon refused to answer any of my questions about her, which in general means that it's something you should be paying attention to, or that at least has potential to be important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ipood Posted November 6, 2010 Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 I'm sorry to be a bother, but my copy will not be returned to me until Thursday, and I cannot for the life of me remember who Baxil was? Could anybody please tell me? It did'nt say anything in the wiki. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverearth Posted November 7, 2010 Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 I'm sorry to be a bother, but my copy will not be returned to me until Thursday, and I cannot for the life of me remember who Baxil was? Could anybody please tell me? It did'nt say anything in the wiki. Baxil is from the Interludes. He's the hired bodyguard/helper of a woman who breaks into places to destroy art. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kykeon Posted November 7, 2010 Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 Is the theory that the drunk man Szeth met was Talanel still being considered by this honourable circle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link Von Kelsier Harvey Posted November 7, 2010 Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 You mean the one in the prologue? It doesn't seem likely. Especially since in the epilogue, he doesn't seem to know what's going on. If he'd been hanging around for several months, he would know that everybody thinks the Desolations are over. He also seems confused that they don't know who he is. So, no, I don't think he's the drunk guy that Szeth meets. Where ever he's been for the past 4500 years, it seems apparent that he got out just in time for the epilogue. Also, I concur with the Shalash theory, to get this back on topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zas678 Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 Is the theory that the drunk man Szeth met was Talanel still being considered by this honourable circle? *Slight spoilage* I personally think it's Hoid pretending to be drunk (or maybe really drunk. Even World-Jumping Immortal peoples have to have a break sometime). But that's mostly my gut speaking. Oh! And When I said this when we only had this, Peter said something suspicious. Curse the TWG forums downage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad_Scientist Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 It's Shalash, one of the heralds. She's destroying all pictures and statues of herself, that's why her statue is missing in the prologue. Apparently she's revered as "Lady of Dreams" by the Emul. It also explains why Baxis can't decide her race. Thought's? First of all let me say that I love this theory. I hadn't the slightest guess who she could during either of my readings of WoK. But I'm not bumping this old thread just to say that. I noticed further evidence for this theory. From one of the "death quotes" given at some chapter starts. .“A woman sits and scratches out her own eyes. Daughter of kings and winds, the vandal.”—Dated Palahevan, 1173, 73 seconds pre-death References to a female vandal stratching out her own eyes... and didn't Baxil's mistress destroy the eyes of a bust during her vandalism? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Ninja Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 First of all let me say that I love this theory. I hadn't the slightest guess who she could during either of my readings of WoK. But I'm not bumping this old thread just to say that. I noticed further evidence for this theory. From one of the "death quotes" given at some chapter starts. References to a female vandal stratching out her own eyes... and didn't Baxil's mistress destroy the eyes of a bust during her vandalism? “A woman sits and scratches out her own eyes. Daughter of kings and winds, the vandal.”—Dated Palahevan, 1173, 73 seconds pre-death. Subject: a beggar of some renown, known for his elegant songs. I was wondering about that back in September, I think it was before I even understood it was Shalash. http://www.timewastersguide.com/forum/index.php?topic=7820.msg171844#msg171844 I couldn't make sense of most of those death quotes, some must be referencing events we haven't seen. Kaladin's bridge/chasm leap is clear enough. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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