104 ways to kill a full-born

[Lesser spren]

This is a thread to document all the ways to kill an entity naturally born with all the powers of a feruchemist and an allomancer. Cosmere wide invested arts are allowed extra points for creativity.

[alder24]

1. Avoid.
2. Don't show up to a fight with him.
3. Be on a different planet.
4. Achieve agelessness and outlive him.
5. Be the Chosen One, draw from the Mists while pulling his metalminds out of his body.
6. Be in Cognitive Realm while he's in Physical Realm (be aware, he can open perpendicularity on his own)
   6.1. Be a Soulcaster and Soulcast his metalminds into smoke.
7. Ascend and use Shard's power to smite him.
8. Be a Windrunner with lots of Stormlight and drop a huge asteroid on the planet he resides on.
9. Nuke him, preferably with Tsar Bomb hidden in a truck.
   9.1. Use big Anti-investiture bomb on him.
10. Be an Elscaller, boosted by a Bondsmith and use the Surge of Transportation to teleport him in the middle of the vacuum of space, far away from any star system.
11. Be a Bondsmith with medallion granting F-steel, with a lot of stored speed, use that speed to touch him first and take away his Connections and powers.
12. Have access to F-steel again, with a lot of speed, and aluminum spike, spike him with aluminum spike in the correct binding point, which would remove all his powers.
13. Stab him with Nightblood, if possible from Cognitive Realm.
14. Have access to some invested art and be a Dawnshard.
15. Drop a primar cube where he stands, charged with powerful Allomantic aluminum, and shoot him in the head. Or use a powerful enough suppressor fabrial.
16. That's hard. He's god. God cannot be killed. God cannot be overthrown. Your rebellion—you think he hasn't seen its like before?
    16.1. While he's monologuing, tap lots of speed, put a shotgun with aluminum pellets to his head, shoot and pray to gods it works, before he kills you in return.

I have nothing more for now. Fullborn with F-steel is just ridiculously overpowered.

[Trusk'our]

1 hour ago, Lesser spren said:

This is a thread to document all the ways to kill an entity naturally born with all the powers of a feruchemist and an allomancer. Cosmere wide invested arts are allowed extra points for creativity.

1. Surprise drop a nuclear warhead on them.

2. Have an Elsecaller Shardblade them in the back through the Cognitive Realm. Hopefully that actually works, as we haven't yet seen it canonically.

3. Use a hyper-charged Allomantic grenade that utilizes Allomantic chromium to drain the Fullborn's metal storages. Then have a squad of two-hundred machinegun-wielding soldiers pelt him with bullets.

4. Have an extremely talented sniper headshot the Fullborn with a fragmenting aluminum bullet. OR have the sniper use Hemalurgic aluminum to strip them of all their Invested powers.

5. If the Fullborn is considered "evil" unsheathe Nightblood and drop it in front of him. Make sure to use a lot of Feruchemical steel to escape before they destroy you afterwards 

6. Befriend a Sleepless and have their Larkin-Hoardling hybrids drain the Fullborn of Investiture. Sleepless can then kill the Fullborn through conventional means.

7. Create a Bands of Mourning style Unsealed Metalmind and fight the Fullborn of equal terms. OR use Hemalurgy to accomplish this effect (though that would leave you vulnerable to being controlled by the Fullborn).

8. Capture an army of Shades and unleash them on the Fullborn. If they are unfamiliar with the nature of Shades, they may not know how to effectively kill them and will be overwhelmed by them.

Edited March 25, 2023 by Trusk'our

[alder24]

17. Be a Sleepless, develop a specific, small type of hungry Larkin-parasites Hordlings, layed in small eggs, make him drink/eat them with a drink/food spiked with thousands of them, they move in blood to many organs of his, hatch, attach to his insides and slowly starts to feed on his investiture while growing, up to the point when he can’t compound anymore, then they just eat him alive from the inside to satisfy his hunger.

[Lesser spren]

25.Soulcast the Fullborn into a non flesh material so they can't heal from being turned to stone or non metal material, we haven't seen what soulcasting metalminds does or if it's even possible, but I assume that it's new Identity would prevent any shenanigans.

Edited March 25, 2023 by Lesser spren

[therunner]

26. Be Elantrain, use prep-time to prepare either suppressive effect, or Speed effect. Then, create Aon Dor symbol to leech from Distance, and kill them at leisure.
27. Be Elantrian, use prep-time to replicate effects of Fullborn powers, and fight them (you have advantage since you are Elantrin on top of Fullborn powers).

[Xaladin]

Drop fullborn in lake of molten aluminum.

[cometaryorbit]

Yeah, the obvious ways are Investiture drain (Leeching grenades, Nightblood, maybe larkins); Soulcasting; and an explosion/fire large and hot enough to melt the goldminds off.

[a Faceless Immortal]

30. Throw a powerful Cadmium grenade at them to slow them down whilst you find a sufficiently large rock to drop on them, popping the bubble and hopefully crushing them beyond their ability to heal before they can escape

31. Simply exist on Post-Catacendre Scadrial. They are all dead already.

[Frustration]

32. Hit them with a taser, Brandon has confirmed that you will still be immobilized even if you are healing. After that you can just stab them to death with an aluminum weapon.

Spoiler

ShadowBlaze

If a gold Ferring got electrocuted, would he get paralyzed and/or heal and [react normally]?

Brandon Sanderson

So he gets electrocuted. You're asking does Cosmere healing prevent you from being stunned by a taser?

Huh, what a good question. I'm going to say, and I could contradict this, so this is Word of Brandon canon until I contradict it, you could still stun them with electrical stimulation of muscles, because it's not doing any harm and it's just how muscles normally work. So I think that's a good workaround.

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/360/#e10870

 

 

 

On 3/25/2023 at 1:17 PM, alder24 said:

1. Stab him with Nightblood, if possible from Cognitive Realm.

It is possible

Spoiler

Hoiditthroughthegrapevine (paraphrased)

If Nightblood were in the cognitive realm and was used to stab a bead that was the cognitive representation of a castle, would the castle be destroyed in the Physical Realm?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

If you could get Nightblood into the Cognitive Realm, then yes. 

Hoiditthroughthegrapevine (paraphrased)

What would happen to people who were in the castle at the time? 

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

They wouldn't be affected (other than possibly plummeting to their death).

Hoiditthroughthegrapevine (paraphrased)

How about a carpet that had been in the castle for 50 years? 

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

No, 50 years most likely wouldn't be enough time. 

Hoiditthroughthegrapevine (paraphrased)

Is this like the "Ship of Theseus?" 

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

Yes

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/174/#e10508

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TheSurvivorofDeath]

Wait wait wait. The OP says an entity naturally born with the powers of feruchemy and Allomancy. These interfere, so a Fullborn can’t be naturally born. Mistborn-ferring, Feruchemist-misting, sure. Fullborn, effectively impossible. So this whole discussion is pointless. Hypothetically speaking, however, the best option is to avoid them at all costs. Next best thing is excessive amounts of aluminum and unrestricted Cohesion (for nuking).

[Frustration]

8 hours ago, TheSurvivorofDeath said:

Wait wait wait. The OP says an entity naturally born with the powers of feruchemy and Allomancy. These interfere, so a Fullborn can’t be naturally born. Mistborn-ferring, Feruchemist-misting, sure. Fullborn, effectively impossible. So this whole discussion is pointless.

That is not true.

It once was, but no longer.

Spoiler

Windrunner

Is it is even possible for a full Feruchemist Mistborn to be naturally born, or will the genes for the two interfere with one another too much?

Brandon Sanderson

It is possible, but highly unlikely.

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/100/#e3440

 

 

 

[PinkPlasma]

On 3/25/2023 at 11:35 AM, Lesser spren said:

This is a thread to document all the ways to kill an entity naturally born with all the powers of a feruchemist and an allomancer. Cosmere wide invested arts are allowed extra points for creativity.

1. become a shard. smite them.

2. become an unchained bondsmith, and simply steal their connection to their abilities.

3. become an elentrian, and make yourself a fullborn

4. nuclear bomb

5. get 7 5th ideal wind runners to pin them down, and stab them repeatedly with aluminum knives. they'll run out of healing eventually.

6. plop them in the forests in threnody. cut his finger, and elsecall the crap out of there

7. get duralumin and duralmin fuel compounding speed. stuff them in an aluminum box filled with water and weld all of the seams on the box shut. drop it in center of the oceans on roshar during a highstorm. run away.

8. become a fused/herald. fight them until they eventually die, no matter how many times they kill you.

9. get kaladin to fight them (he is cursed to survive and therefore cannot be killed. according to him anyway)

 

Edited March 27, 2023 by PinkPlasma

[TheSurvivorofDeath]

1 hour ago, PinkPlasma said:

9. get kaladin to fight them (he is cursed to survive and therefore cannot be killed. according to him anyway)

He is the storm. The storm cannot be killed.

[Xiahida]

1. Have Hoid insult them

2. Become Andolism and hope and pray to yourself you can kill him

3. Spend an eternity and create an F-Nicrosil mind and stab him with it as well as every other type of metal mind so he can't move or think or do anything

4. Stab him in the heart with an H-Atium spike (lots of feruchemical speed)

5.Soulcast the air around him into aluminum (is it possible to soulcast aluminium?) So he dies eventually.

[Xiahida]

Can a Fullborn make a perpendicularity?

[alder24]

17 minutes ago, Xiahida said:

Can a Fullborn make a perpendicularity?

Yes

Spoiler

TheFulgid

Could you Invest... Could you use a nicrosil metalmind to Invest the sort of Investiture enough that you could open a Perpendicularity up to the Cognitive Realm?

Brandon Sanderson

So, I'll just say it this way. Enough concentrated Investiture in one point is going to pierce the Realms, no matter what form it takes. 

TheFulgid

...So, it doesn't have to be a nicrosil metalmind.

Brandon Sanderson

No. 

TheFulgid

Okay... But it could be?

Brandon Sanderson

Yes. That is theoretically possible. 

Oathbringer release party (Nov. 13, 2017)

 

22 minutes ago, Xiahida said:

4. Stab him in the heart with an H-Atium spike (lots of feruchemical speed)

He can heal that and even get his powers back (https://wob.coppermind.net/events/406/#e14304)

23 minutes ago, Xiahida said:

5.Soulcast the air around him into aluminum (is it possible to soulcast aluminium?)

Yes, you can soulcast into aluminum, but you can't soulcast aluminum into something else.

23 minutes ago, Xiahida said:

3. Spend an eternity and create an F-Nicrosil mind and stab him with it as well as every other type of metal mind so he can't move or think or do anything

That would do nothing. Those are just metalminds, not his metalminds even, they won't effect him in any other way than dealing physical wounds that can be healed. And this won't do anything to his powers.

 

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[The Stick]

Two new ideas.

1. Breath shock him with peacemakers treasure, then somehow kill him.

2. Use a Raysium dagger to leech away his power.

[a Faceless Immortal]

Surely we can all stop starting from 1. each time we post, so we can have a running total and see if we can actually make it to 104? If I have time later I'll edit this post to have a list of all the unique ideas so we can actually start making progress lol

[Nasax]

(So i don't know where to follow up with counting frome here so i go with 33)

33. Assemble ALL of Lopens cousins because that should be enough people to kill any god, honestly speeking.

[a Faceless Immortal]

1. Avoid. (alder24)
2. Don't show up to a fight with him. (alder24)
3. Be on a different planet. (alder24)
4. Achieve agelessness and outlive him. (alder24)
5. Be the Chosen One, draw from the Mists while pulling his metalminds out of his body. (alder24)
6. Be in Cognitive Realm while he's in Physical Realm (be aware, he can open perpendicularity on his own) (alder24)
   6.1. Be a Soulcaster and Soulcast his metalminds into smoke. 
7. Ascend and use Shard's power to smite him.
8. Be a Windrunner with lots of Stormlight and drop a huge asteroid on the planet he resides on. (alder24)
9. Nuke him, preferably with Tsar Bomb hidden in a truck. (alder24)
   9.1. Use big Anti-investiture bomb on him.
10. Be an Elscaller, boosted by a Bondsmith and use the Surge of Transportation to teleport him in the middle of the vacuum of space, far away from any star system. (alder24)
11. Be a Bondsmith with medallion granting F-steel, with a lot of stored speed, use that speed to touch him first and take away his Connections and powers. (alder24)
12. Have access to F-steel again, with a lot of speed, and aluminum spike, spike him with aluminum spike in the correct binding point, which would remove all his powers (alder24)
13. Stab him with Nightblood, if possible from Cognitive Realm. (alder24)
14. Have access to some invested art and be a Dawnshard. (alder24)
15. Drop a primar cube where he stands, charged with powerful Allomantic aluminum, and shoot him in the head. Or use a powerful enough suppressor fabrial. (alder24)
16. That's hard. He's god. God cannot be killed. God cannot be overthrown. Your rebellion—you think he hasn't seen its like before? (alder24)
    16.1. While he's monologuing, tap lots of speed, put a shotgun with aluminum pellets to his head, shoot and pray to gods it works, before he kills you in return.
17. Surprise drop a nuclear warhead on them.  (Trusk'our)
18. Have an Elsecaller Shardblade them in the back through the Cognitive Realm. Hopefully that actually works, as we haven't yet seen it canonically. (Trusk'our)
19. Use a hyper-charged Allomantic grenade that utilizes Allomantic chromium to drain the Fullborn's metal storages. Then have a squad of two-hundred machinegun-wielding soldiers pelt him with bullets. (Trusk'our)
20. Have an extremely talented sniper headshot the Fullborn with a fragmenting aluminum bullet. OR have the sniper use Hemalurgic aluminum to strip them of all their Invested powers. (Trusk'our)
21. If the Fullborn is considered "evil" unsheathe Nightblood and drop it in front of him. Make sure to use a lot of Feruchemical steel to escape before they destroy you afterwards  (Trusk'our)
22. Befriend a Sleepless and have their Larkin-Hoardling hybrids drain the Fullborn of Investiture. Sleepless can then kill the Fullborn through conventional means. (Trusk'our)
23. Create a Bands of Mourning style Unsealed Metalmind and fight the Fullborn of equal terms. OR use Hemalurgy to accomplish this effect (though that would leave you vulnerable to being controlled by the Fullborn). (Trusk'our)
24. Capture an army of Shades and unleash them on the Fullborn. If they are unfamiliar with the nature of Shades, they may not know how to effectively kill them and will be overwhelmed by them. (Trusk'our)
25. Soulcast the Fullborn into a non flesh material so they can't heal from being turned to stone or non metal material, we haven't seen what soulcasting metalminds does or if it's even possible, but I assume that it's new Identity would prevent any shenanigans. (Lesser spren)
26. Be Elantrain, use prep-time to prepare either suppressive effect, or Speed effect. Then, create Aon Dor symbol to leech from Distance, and kill them at leisure (therunner)
27. Be Elantrian, use prep-time to replicate effects of Fullborn powers, and fight them (you have advantage since you are Elantrin on top of Fullborn powers). (therunner)
28. Drop fullborn in lake of molten aluminum. (Xaladin)
29. Throw a powerful Cadmium grenade at them to slow them down whilst you find a sufficiently large rock to drop on them, popping the bubble and hopefully crushing them beyond their ability to heal before they can escape (Me)
30. Simply exist on Post-Catacendre Scadrial. They are all dead already. (Also Me)
31. Hit them with a taser. After that you can just stab them to death with an aluminum weapon. (Frustration)
32. Get 7 5th ideal wind runners to pin them down, and stab them repeatedly with aluminum knives. they'll run out of healing eventually (PinkPlasma)
33. Plop them in the forests in threnody. cut his finger, and elsecall the crap out of there (PinkPlasma)
34. Compound speed, stuff them in an aluminum box filled with water and weld all of the seams on the box shut, then drop it in center of the oceans on roshar during a highstorm. run away. (PinkPlasma)
35. Become a fused/herald. fight them until they eventually die, no matter how many times they kill you. (PinkPlasma)
36. Get kaladin to fight them (PinkPlasma)
    36.1. He is the storm. The storm cannot be killed. (TheSurvivorofDeath)
37. Have Hoid insult them (Xiahida)
38. Become Andolism and hope and pray to yourself you can kill him (Xiahida)
39. Soulcast the air around him into aluminum. (Xiahida)
40. Use a Raysium dagger to leech away his power. (The Stick)
41. Assemble ALL of Lopens cousins because that should be enough people to kill any god, honestly speeking. (Nasax)
    
    Ooh I get lucky number 42 lol
     
42. Convince Stick to fight them for you. Stick may not want to be Fire, but maybe Fight-er?

Now don't y'all dare start from one again!

[PinkPlasma]

43. A SQUAD OF 4TH IDEAL LIGHTWEAVERS SHOOTING LASERS AT THEM (theres a WOB on lightweavers being able to make lasers right?)

[Lesser spren]

44. Teach them sand mastery and trick them into overmastering. (note: this may not be the best idea)

[Werewolff Studios]

45. Offer them a shower so amazing they never want to leave. Eventually, rust eats their metalminds. Checkmate Fullborn. 

[That1Cellist]

46. Surge of division them into the core of the earth and then throw down a bunch of A-Cadmium grenades. Also, soulcast the air you created with the dustrbringer into some solid. It's not technically impossible for them to get out, but the Fullborn would need a ton of resources, and as they fall they can't fly out because you soulcast the air. Plus, the heat and gravity at the panet's core should also make it super difficult for them to escape

47. Trick them into using a massive amount of investiture and temporarily creating a sun. When, inevitably, the star collapses (really quickly) they should die

Wob:

Spoiler

Questioner

If a Full Twinborn (regardless of natural or holding the Bands of Mourning) had access to unlimited Investiture, could they become the sun by infinitely increasing their gravity and heat?

Brotherwise Games

Infinite Investiture, you’re theorizing?

Questioner

Dalinar’s next to him.

Brandon Sanderson

Dalinar’s not gonna be able to provide enough. But in a thought experiment, sort of outside bounds of time and space… you are providing infinite Investiture, you are providing an infinite amount of healing, and you are having them create heat and weight? The problem is, you’re gonna need a whole lot of mass to turn into the sun. I mean, there is a way you can do this, but you’re gonna have to provide… Either the Investiture’s gonna have to become mass, or you’re gonna have to have them do it in the proximity of a whole bunch of mass to have to start causing that sort of fusion reaction where the different layers collapsing in toward the center, dense layers, that sort of thing. In the realm of complete hypothesis, then yes. But, of course, you an do that here with infinite energy and infinite mass, if you needed to, using mechanical means.

I guess the weird part of that question is: the person could retain consciousness through infinite healing, and that is the weird part and that is possible. Yeah.

Dragonsteel 2022 (Nov. 14, 2022)

47. Anti-Investiture stab their goldminds. Then depending on their level of savant-hood, you might have to stab them a couple more times. To get them in one spot, use a supercharged full lashing. Assuming you have enough investiture to stick them down long enough, meaning that you also have enough to heal extraordinarily quickly from any damage they may be able to do with you. F-speed is what you need to look out for, but assuming you're a radiant who has plate and a ton of investiture, you should be able to just heal both the shardplate and yourself.

Edited March 31, 2023 by That1Cellist