Elentrians, Dakor Monks, and Hemalurgy

[Kendelian]

I have an idea. Since hemalurgy can be used to steal Connection, could one use hemalurgy to steal an Elantrian’s Connection to Elantris, then give that Connection to another person? In addition, could one give said Connection to a Dakor monk, and how would Aon Dor interact with the monk?

[alder24]

So you need to steal a connection to the land, and steal their ability to become Elantrian, so 2 spikes are needed for this.

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mail-mi

Could you spike Elantrian-ness? Like, could you Hemalurgically spike Elantrian-ness?

Brandon Sanderson

Theoretically, yes.

mail-mi

Could you out of a Reod Elantrian? The zombie ones?

Brandon Sanderson

Um, yes you could.

mail-mi

You could?

Brandon Sanderson

So what you would be spiking there is their Connection to...to the planet, first. That's gonna be the big important thing. So you're going to overwrite your Connection. Um, and then you're going to....it's going to be a complicated process because you're going to have to spike the actual ability to have been transformed, that's gonna be harder.

mail-mi

Okay.

Brandon Sanderson

Does that make sense?

mail-mi

Yeah, so it's gonna take two spikes.

Brandon Sanderson

It's gonna take two spikes.

mail-mi

Alright.

Brandon Sanderson

And you gonna have to get the right Connection to the right place. Let's say you spike somebody from MaiPon, and then you spike an Elantrian, you're not going to be able to use it, you're not connected to the right area.

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But no idea what would happen if you gave that to Dakhor monks. They negate Aons, so likely they would not be able to use Aons.

[Trusk'our]

On 3/14/2023 at 11:17 AM, Kendelian said:

I have an idea. Since hemalurgy can be used to steal Connection, could one use hemalurgy to steal an Elantrian’s Connection to Elantris, then give that Connection to another person?

Yes, that should be well within the scope of Hemalurgy's power. You'd probably need to take their "power" plus their Connection however, as Connection alone isn't usually enough to gain their powers.

I don't believe that anything weird would happen if a Dakhor monk gained Elantrian powers though; They'd just have all the benefits of both magic systems.

On 3/14/2023 at 11:55 AM, alder24 said:

So you need to steal a connection to the land, and steal their ability to become Elantrian, so 2 spikes are needed for this.

You may also be able to use Feruchemical duralumin to replace the need to Hemalurgically take their Connection, freeing you from the need to use two spikes.

On 3/14/2023 at 11:55 AM, alder24 said:

But no idea what would happen if you gave that to Dakhor monks. They negate Aons, so likely they would not be able to use Aons.

Not all Dakhor monks have the ability to negate Aons. In fact, Dilaf is the only one we see in Elantris that has such an ability, and it is suggested to be more costly than other improvements, requiring the sacrifice of fifty people.

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This ability is similar to Allomantic chromium, so likely won't automatically effect Aons that the Dakhor monk made if they didn't want it to.

 

Edited May 10, 2023 by Trusk'our

[Monk of Dakhor]

On 3/14/2023 at 9:17 AM, Kendelian said:

I have an idea. Since hemalurgy can be used to steal Connection, could one use hemalurgy to steal an Elantrian’s Connection to Elantris, then give that Connection to another person? In addition, could one give said Connection to a Dakor monk, and how would Aon Dor interact with the monk?

would hemalurgy even work on a different planet?

also would a dakhor monk be able to be taken by the shaod or no?

what do you think would happen if the wyrm was taken by the shaod?

Edited March 29, 2023 by Monk of Dakhor

[alder24]

10 hours ago, Monk of Dakhor said:

would hemalurgy even work on a different planet?

Yes, it works everywhere. 

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Questioner

Hemalurgy is mentioned as something that has "broad implications." But that's of Ruin, right? (Or now it is of Harmony.)

Brandon Sanderson

Yes, but don't take the "of Ruin" and "of Preservation" too strongly, but yes.

Questioner

But, I mean, somebody couldn't just walk along with a metal spike on, say, Nalthis, and stab 'em and now they have the power, could they?

Brandon Sanderson

If they knew where to stab them, yes, they could.

Questioner

Anywhere in the cosmere?

Brandon Sanderson

Yes.

Questioner

You can stab someone and get their power?

Brandon Sanderson

Hemalurgy has been built in such a way that it rips off pieces of the soul. If you can rip off the right piece of the soul and attach it to somebody else, it will change your Identity, and it can rewrite anything that's attached to your soul. Identity, Connection, it can rewrite Investiture, all of this stuff it could potentially do.

Questioner

And do the things you stab people with—are they always metal or does that depend on the planet?

Brandon Sanderson

No, that's metal, that's—

Questioner

*inaudble*

Brandon Sanderson

Well yes, you could make it do something like that. That is totally possible. But the metal— Yeah. Anyway.

Questioner

With the other Shards you kind of have to be near that Shard to get that—there's no Allomancy.

Brandon Sanderson

To get it, yes. To have that part of your soul. But, for instance, Allomancy would work on other planets. The only one that's going to have trouble working on other planets, right now, are the ones on Sel because of the way that the magics are built.

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10 hours ago, Monk of Dakhor said:

also would a dakhor monk be able to be taken by the shaod or no?

what do you think would happen if the wyrm was taken by the shaod?

They don't have the necessary Connection to the city of Elantris and the land where Elantris was built, so they can't be taken by Shaod. Magic in Elantris book is limited by the region.