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So I found this WoB

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Can iron/steelsight lines be used to identify specific metals? If yes, for only savants?

Brandon Sanderson

This is possible. Not just savants.

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/134/#e2255

 

 

And given that any coinshot/lurchers can learn to use steelsight

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Brandon Sanderson

By the way, you probably remember form book one the way that Inquisitors see. They have such a subtle touch with Steel and Iron, and their lines, that they can see via the trace metals in everyone's bodies and in the objects around them.

The thing is, any Allomancer with access to iron or steel could learn to do this. Some have figured it out, in the past, but in current times, nobody–at least, nobody the heroes know–is aware of this. Except, of course, for Marsh.

And he chose not to share it.

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/142/#e2944

 

That means that a coinshot can not only determine if someone has metal shavings in them, but also what types they are, regardless of whether they are burning those metals or not.

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It is true that a lot of what seekers do could be replaced by steelpushing/ironpulling, but some things that seekers could do would be pretty hard for coinshots/lurchers. For instance, skilled seekers can discern when an allomancer is flaring a metal, but even a skilled coinshot would have trouble deciphering if an allomancer is flaring a metal or not from the rate that the line's size changes. I agree that with years of experience an extremely talented coinshot can do anything a seeker can, but there would be few who would be so talented. Also, a coinshot could sense how filled a feruchemists metalminds are as well and when they're using them, if they can do the same to allomancy.

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On 2/8/2023 at 9:21 PM, Frustration said:

That means that a coinshot can not only determine if someone has metal shavings in them, but also what types they are, regardless of whether they are burning those metals or not.

That assumes that the Coinshot or Lurcher would be powerful enough to actually push on the metal shavings inside the other Allomancer's body. They could see the exterior of someone with Steelsight, but seeing their insides would be much more difficult.

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32 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

That assumes that the Coinshot or Lurcher would be powerful enough to actually push on the metal shavings inside the other Allomancer's body. They could see the exterior of someone with Steelsight, but seeing their insides would be much more difficult.

With inquisitor steelsight you don't need to be able to push on those metals to see them.

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40 minutes ago, Frustration said:

With inquisitor steelsight you don't need to be able to push on those metals to see them.

What about when Vin busted into the Lord Ruler's palace at the end of TFE and blinded a pair of Steel Inquisitors with metal dust? They couldn't see through a surface that was visible to them, which means that you shouldn't (under normal circumstances) be able to use Steelsight to x-ray vision through something else that is viable to Steelsense.

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4 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

What about when Vin busted into the Lord Ruler's palace at the end of TFE and blinded a pair of Steel Inquisitors with metal dust? They couldn't see through a surface that was visible to them, which means that you shouldn't (under normal circumstances) be able to use Steelsight to x-ray vision through something else that is viable to Steelsense.

Aside from the blood and bones there isn't a ton of metal in the human body.

Most everything else is in such small concentrations that you can see around it.

So you probably couldn't see anything in the heart, or brain, but the stomach you probably could.

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8 minutes ago, Frustration said:

Aside from the blood and bones there isn't a ton of metal in the human body.

Most everything else is in such small concentrations that you can see around it.

So you probably couldn't see anything in the heart, or brain, but the stomach you probably could.

Ah, that makes sense I suppose.

For Steel Inquisitors specifically though...

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Kelsier mentions that when he sees through his eye-spike, he's seeing the actual axi and electromagnetic bonds of things, not just trace metals.

Which probably explains why the Steel Inquisitors could be blinded by the metal dust in TFE. 

Ironically, regular Steelsight would actually be better in this circumstance, if I understand correctly, since they couldn't push on the body of their opponent (or even their internal metals), but they might still be able to sense their internal reserves. Steel Inquisitors probably couldn't though.

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9 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

Ah, that makes sense I suppose.

For Steel Inquisitors specifically though...

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Kelsier mentions that when he sees through his eye-spike, he's seeing the actual axi and electromagnetic bonds of things, not just trace metals.

 

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I'm assuming that's Kel being Poetic, as if he saw each atom the air in front of his face would blind him.

 

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