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Treamayne

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Am I the only one for whom the epub is . . . oddly formatted?

For example:

PDF Layout (expected ideal - I think)

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ePub layout (50% size)

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There are other oddities, such as the Table of Contents running the "Part" titles to the edge of the first chapter in the list (or slightly overlapped - depending on "em" size).

I opened it in Calibre, and found some discrepancies. Such as tags that are missing from the style sheet.

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Example:

Ch 1 header says it uses h2 class="green" - but the "green" class is not defined in the CSS, only:

  • h2.toc
  • h2.backmatter
  • h2.red
  • h2.black
  • h2.also

I've also noticed that the images are a ton of white space (making large files) rather than using the XML to correctly place the data on the page (the chapter number images are 2754x1452 px in size - with only 466x466 px of usable image) - which I think is why it displays in Portrait with the numbers running off of the right edge.

I haven't read the story yet, but as I fix the CSS and XML, I'll update this post with the changes I made to my copy, in case others need to "fix" some formatting.

Update1 (20230102):

CSS changes and additions:

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div.Ch-Hdr {
  text-indent: 0;
  text-align: center;
  margin-right: auto;
  margin-left: auto;
  width: 99%;
  page-break-before: auto;
  page-break-inside: avoid;
  page-break-after: auto;
}
div.img {
  margin-left: 0;
  margin-right: 0;
  text-align: center;
  text-indent: 0;
  width: 100%;
}

 

h2.green {
  text-align:center;
  font-size:2em;
  font-family:Doves,serif;
  font-style:normal;
  font-weight:bold;
  margin-top: 0.5em;
  margin-bottom: 0.5em;
  color: #019d78;
}
h2.red {
  text-align:center;
  font-size:2em;
  font-family:Doves,serif;
  font-style:normal;
  font-weight:bold;
  margin-top: 0.5em;
  margin-bottom: 0.5em;
  color: #e64f62;
}
h2.black {
  text-align: center;
  font-size: 2em;
  font-family: Doves,serif;
  font-style: normal;
  font-weight: bold;
  margin-top: 0.5em;
  margin-bottom: 0.5em;
  color: #000000;
}

 

figure.ch-orn {
  display: inline-block;
  text-indent: 0;
  width: 100%;
}

Chapter Code:

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    <div class="Ch-Hdr">

      <div class="img">

        <figure class="ch-orn">

          <img src="../Images/emerald.png" alt="flourish" style="width:99%;"/>

        </figure>

      </div>

    </div>

      <h2 class="green">THE GIRL</h2>

    <div class="Ch-Hdr">

      <div class="img">

        <figure class="ch-orn" id="ch1">

          <img src="../Images/1.png" alt="Chapter One" style="width:99%;"/>

        </figure>

      </div>

    </div>

Also, it really bothered me that the altered Chapter Start text was an arbitrary number of words, and inconsistent from chapter to chapter, so I changed that to:

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p.breakfirst1 {
  text-indent: 0;
  margin-top: 1.5em;
}
p.breakfirst1:first-line {
  font-family: Doves, serif;
  font-size: 1.1em;
  font-style: normal;
  font-weight: bold;
  color: #019d78;
  text-transform: uppercase;
}
p.breakfirst1:first-letter {
  font-family: Doves, serif;
  font-size: 1.25em;
  font-style: normal;
  font-weight: bold;
  color: #019d78;
  text-transform: uppercase;
}
p.breakfirst2 {
  text-indent: 0;
  margin-top: 1.5em;
}
p.breakfirst2:first-line {
  font-family: Doves, serif;
  font-size: 1.1em;
  font-style: normal;
  font-weight: bold;
  color: #e64f62;
  text-transform: uppercase;
}
p.breakfirst2:first-letter {
  font-family: Doves, serif;
  font-size: 1.25em;
  font-style: normal;
  font-weight: bold;
  color: #e64f62;
  text-transform: uppercase;
}
p.breakfirst3 {
  text-indent: 0;
  margin-top: 1.5em;
}
p.breakfirst3:first-line {
  font-family: Doves, serif;
  font-size: 1.1em;
  font-style: normal;
  font-weight: bold;
  color: #000000;
  text-transform: uppercase;
}
p.breakfirst3:first-letter {
  font-family: Doves, serif;
  font-size: 1.25em;
  font-style: normal;
  font-weight: bold;
  color: #000000;
  text-transform: uppercase;
}

Result:

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Now the first letter is sized appropriately, and the whole first line will change to fit the chapter (and adjust for smaller devices, so it is always only the first line. . . )

Not quite where I want it to be yet, and I'm sure I'll find other things that need a fix as I go (such as the missing "ch-img" class that I replaced above) so more updates may follow.

Update 2 (20220108):

I think I have it mostly solved (at least for my devices). The Multiple Div tags ended up being unnecessary, but I did need to define some img classes and experiment with making the images display correctly in both portrait and landscape on the e-reader. 

CSS:

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h4.toc {
  font-size: 1.5em;
  margin-top: 0.5em;
  margin-bottom: 0.5em;
}
 

figure.ch-orn {
  display: inline-block;
  text-indent: 0;
  width: 100%;
}
figure.bw, figure.cmyk {
  text-align: center;
  height: 100%;
  width: auto;
  page-break-before: always;
  page-break-after: always;
}

img.land {
  display: block;
  text-align: center;
  height: auto;
  max-width: 100%;
  width: auto;
  margin-top: auto;
  margin-bottom: auto;
}
img.port {
  display: block;
  text-align: center;
  height: auto;
  max-height: 100%;
  width: auto;
  margin-left: auto;
  margin-right: auto;
}
 

p.bodytext {
  margin-top: 0.1em;
  margin-left: 0.5em;
  margin-right: 0.5em;
  text-indent: 1em;
  text-align: left;
}

Chapter html/xml:

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  <section epub:type="chapter" role="doc-chapter" aria-labelledby="ch1">

        <figure class="ch-orn">

          <img class="land" src="../Images/emerald.png" alt="flourish" style="width:99%;"/>

        </figure>

      <h2 class="green">THE GIRL</h2>

        <figure class="ch-orn" id="ch1">

          <img class="land" src="../Images/1.png" alt="Chapter One" style="width:99%;"/>

        </figure>

    <p class="breakfirst1">

 

        <figure class="cmyk" id="sipping_salty_tea"><a id="sipping"></a>
        
        <img class="port" src="../Images/SippingSaltyTea.jpg" alt="Sipping Salty Tea" id="toc_1"/>

        </figure>
 

I added the .bodytext class for the paragraph tags because I was finding some errors and was trying to eliminate the source(s); so I don't think that class is strictly required. I added the img classes for portrait and landscape to make sure it scaled tall images and wide images differently (and correctly)

Please let me know if you find something I missed, if something here isn't working on your device, or if you need help making changes (once i had it mostly worked out for Ch 1 and image, I used find/replace to enact teh changes through the rest of the book - just note which images need the landscape class instead).

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Bremen

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4 minutes ago, Treamayne said:

Am I the only one for whom the epub is . . . oddly formatted?

No, I had similar issues on my Kobo e-reader.

I tried reading in Calibre instead and everything looked normal.

So I'm not sure if the problem is with the epub or the e-reader. I'm guessing Dragonsteel only tested with a Kindle.

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32 minutes ago, Bremen said:

No, I had similar issues on my Kobo e-reader.

I tried reading in Calibre instead and everything looked normal.

Which download link did you use? And were you on Calibre 6.10?

I also use a Kobo (Forma), and have so far seen the same formatting issues on the device and in Calibre 6.10 on PC.

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1 minute ago, Bremen said:

I used one on backerkit (I thought that's the only one).

Also Calibre 6.10, however I am on Linux.

From what I saw, backerkit had 4 downloads: Kindle, Kindle #2, ePub, and ePub #2. I'm guessing the "#2"s were download mirrors, in case one link fails - so they should be the same file (but I have not confirmed they are the same file). I just downloaded the second ePub and one of the Kindle versions, so I can compare the CSSs.

I also just noticed - the h2.green is only defined in the ":root" section and has only the #019d78 color property.

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16 minutes ago, The Known Novel said:

This is a running joke of Brandon's, nothing to worry about.

4 minutes ago, Philomath said:

Oh. I had never seen it before. Ha ha. Disregard then. 

More specifically, for each book that Isaac's name appears in the Acks - he spells it differently (usually with one or more non-standard characters)

In this case, it's actually the character ʫ (02AB - Latin l z digraph - found on PC in the Character Map Row 31, Col 18)

 

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I noticed a lack of punctuation at the end of paragraph 10 of chapter 41: 

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Even two preachers from the same moonschool would disagree

I read this on kindle, so I don't know what page it is.

This is on the EPUB version. I don't know about the others.

Edit: I found another! Ironically, there are too many periods this time. 
(Chapter 44, paragraph 7 of EPUB)

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They were personal, yet somehow abstract at the same time..

 

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On 1/2/2023 at 9:08 PM, Treamayne said:

From what I saw, backerkit had 4 downloads: Kindle, Kindle #2, ePub, and ePub #2. I'm guessing the "#2"s were download mirrors, in case one link fails - so they should be the same file (but I have not confirmed they are the same file). I just downloaded the second ePub and one of the Kindle versions, so I can compare the CSSs.

I also just noticed - the h2.green is only defined in the ":root" section and has only the #019d78 color property.

Looks like there is now a third epub option on backerkit in addition to PDF
Secret Project #1 Ebook – Kindle
Secret Project #1 Ebook – EPUB
Secret Project #1 Ebook – Kobo

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On 1/7/2023 at 5:36 AM, FollowYourMuse said:

Looks like there is now a third epub option on backerkit in addition to PDF
Secret Project #1 Ebook – Kindle
Secret Project #1 Ebook – EPUB
Secret Project #1 Ebook – Kobo

The Kobo one works for me if I manually put it on my device. However all attempts to add it using Calibre have resulted in the previous experience. I'm not sure if Calibre is mangling the book in some way or if something persists from previous attempts. The original epub also has the previous issue if manually put on the device.

I am still on Calibre 6.10, waiting on the update...

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Ch 7 - PDF pg 65 - Page 45 - epub line 37:

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so Lem passed laughing miners sharing rounds and chatting about their boring boring.

Boring is duplicated. Boring jobs? Boring lives?

ePub Ch 49:

Extraneous symbol - ">"

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Yes,> Fort said, 

Code:

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<b class="fort1">Yes,&gt; </b>Fort said

 

12 hours ago, Bremen said:

The Kobo one works for me if I manually put it on my device. However all attempts to add it using Calibre have resulted in the previous experience. I'm not sure if Calibre is mangling the book in some way or if something persists from previous attempts. The original epub also has the previous issue if manually put on the device.

I am still on Calibre 6.10, waiting on the update...

Calibre 6.11 should be out (not that it makes much difference in this instance). I noticed the .kepub actually has a double file extension (.kepub.epub) so I think Calibre automatically converts it to epub3 when the book is added (but i noticed that adding the .kepub to my device, then inspecting the device library in Calibre - it showed as an inaccessible file extension - the same way DRM objects display).

I updated my post above with the changes I made to my Calibre epub to make it display correctly on my device. Now that formatting is "fixed" I'm reading the story (finally) and looking for any issues I may have missed. 

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1 hour ago, GeoMantrix said:

I'm not sure what "geas" means on page 170. 

Geas, from Wiktionary:

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Etymology: Borrowed, like English geis, from Irish geis (“injunction; taboo, prohibition, spell”). The pronunciation resembles Irish geis, though the spelling matches its synonymous but heterophonous alternative form geas.

Pronunciation    IPA(key): /ɡɛʃ/, /ˈɡi.əʃ/
Noun

geas (plural geasa or geases)

  1. A (generally magical) vow, obligation or injunction placed upon someone to do or not do something, which typically brings harm if violated and blessings if obeyed.
  2. A mystical compulsion.

 

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There’s also this weird change in font in Fort’s communication which might be meant to highlight his anxiety but doesn’t seem to mesh with how the tablet works.

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Could be the second bit he didnt type out but the predictive capabilities of the tablet conveyed his thoughts anyways. 

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4 hours ago, lacrossedeamon said:

There’s also this weird change in font in Fort’s communication which might be meant to highlight his anxiety but doesn’t seem to mesh with how the tablet works.

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Good catch. Ch 21 (line 61 in the xml)

The first sentance has the Fort class for text (<b class="fort1">), but the second does not (<b>). Not even sure why it breaks there, it's not like the period is exempted from the bold tag. I checked my version and just removing the separation fixed it (del "</b> <b>" and add the space back).

Update 20220109:

New Kickstarter update email says the downloads have been reworked to fix some of the errors and typos described thusfar. 

 

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On 1/8/2023 at 11:22 PM, Treamayne said:

Boring is duplicated. Boring jobs? Boring lives?

 

1 minute ago, GeoMantrix said:

Thanks, Treamayne!  I also learned vexilology is an actual thing. 

The Kramer reads it as boring (adjective) boring (noun).  It's like short for boring boringness. 

It's boring (adjective, unenjoyable) boring (noun, digging). It's a similar pun to Elon Musk's 'Boring company'

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