Did spook charge the band of mourning?

[Vigilante]

We now know kelsier no longer has his mistborn powers and when he went to Southern Scadrial it was only like 10 years after the catacendere meaning spook would still be alive, so with kelsier not being able to charge them himself and spook being a full mistborn we know he was working with, I think spook might have been the one to supply the powers.

[Shacharma]

Spook didnt have feruchemical powers though, and at the current era one cannot spike himself enough times to get all of the metallic abilities (or even to compund, which might severly limit a mistborn's ability to spike themselves into feruchemists)

[Ati16]

1 hour ago, Shacharma said:

Spook didnt have feruchemical powers though, and at the current era one cannot spike himself enough times to get all of the metallic abilities (or even to compund, which might severly limit a mistborn's ability to spike themselves into feruchemists)

Spook wouldn't need to be a fullborn to make the bands. He could just spike himself to give him f-nicrosil and do the same thing to <fifteen other ferrings. Kelsier could have had multiple people working on creating the bands.

[Proletariat]

1 hour ago, Ati16 said:

Spook wouldn't need to be a fullborn to make the bands. He could just spike himself to give him f-nicrosil and do the same thing to <fifteen other ferrings. Kelsier could have had multiple people working on creating the bands.

Kelsier only arrived in South Scadrial twelve years after the end of the first trilogy. In the short time frame there wouldn't have been enough time for Ferrings to be born, grow up, and discover their powers for the first time following the extermination of every Feruchemist in Terris society. 

[+Oltux72]

On 7.12.2022 at 3:07 PM, Ati16 said:

Spook wouldn't need to be a fullborn to make the bands. He could just spike himself to give him f-nicrosil and do the same thing to <fifteen other ferrings. Kelsier could have had multiple people working on creating the bands.

I am afraid not. It would take metals that had an astronomical cost at that time to identify the Ferrings.

[Ati16]

5 minutes ago, Oltux72 said:

I am afraid not. It would take metals that had an astronomical cost at that time to identify the Ferrings.

They had a lot of allomantic metals stored up in the Urteau storage cavern.

[+Oltux72]

11 hours ago, Ati16 said:

They had a lot of allomantic metals stored up in the Urteau storage cavern.

The metals known and producible in the Final Empire. To make the Bands you'd need Bendalloy, Chromium, Nicrosil, Duraluminium and Aluminium in the quantities that allow you to test the population.

[DiePie]

14 hours ago, Oltux72 said:

The metals known and producible in the Final Empire. To make the Bands you'd need Bendalloy, Chromium, Nicrosil, Duraluminium and Aluminium in the quantities that allow you to test the population.

tbf, they already know who is/isn't an allomancer because of the mistsickness, they'd only need enough of each metal to try them out on an average of 16 people (less, since a lot of the mistings of more common metals were already tested). I think if they knew how to acquire the required metals it wouldn't be difficult.

[+Oltux72]

4 minutes ago, DiePie said:

tbf, they already know who is/isn't an allomancer because of the mistsickness, they'd only need enough of each metal to try them out on an average of 16 people (less, since a lot of the mistings of more common metals were already tested). I think if they knew how to acquire the required metals it wouldn't be difficult.

The Allomancers are not the problem. The feruchemical parts of the Bands are the issue.

[Ati16]

9 hours ago, Oltux72 said:

The Allomancers are not the problem. The feruchemical parts of the Bands are the issue.

It's possible that not every feruchemist was slaughtered by the inquisitors. Some might not have been in Tathingdwen when the inquisitors attacked or some might have escaped and Kelsier could have recruited them to make the bands.

[lacrossedeamon]

1 hour ago, Ati16 said:

It's possible that not every feruchemist was slaughtered by the inquisitors. Some might not have been in Tathingdwen when the inquisitors attacked or some might have escaped and Kelsier could have recruited them to make the bands.

I mean this is self evident given that we still have ferrings. I think a WoB states that Hoid was important in saving Terris refugees after the attack on the Synod.

[+Oltux72]

21 hours ago, Ati16 said:

It's possible that not every feruchemist was slaughtered by the inquisitors. Some might not have been in Tathingdwen when the inquisitors attacked or some might have escaped and Kelsier could have recruited them to make the bands.

The Bands require you to have Nicrosil. That means you need Nickel and Chrome. Metals the Final Empire did not know. This needs a serious industrial base. Hence I very much doubt they were available during the lifetime of immediate survivors.

They may have gotten new Ferrings through the collateral lines. But you have to find them. That means you have to seek out possible candidates and ask them to store stuff in hard to make metals. Consider what aluminium alone still cost in the time of Alloy of Law. And they need enough metal minds of even more exotic stuff to test thousands of people decades or centuries earlier, depending on when exactly the Bands were made.

[Rorzikel]

1 hour ago, Oltux72 said:

The Bands require you to have Nicrosil. That means you need Nickel and Chrome. Metals the Final Empire did not know. This needs a serious industrial base. Hence I very much doubt they were available during the lifetime of immediate survivors.

They may have gotten new Ferrings through the collateral lines. But you have to find them. That means you have to seek out possible candidates and ask them to store stuff in hard to make metals. Consider what aluminium alone still cost in the time of Alloy of Law. And they need enough metal minds of even more exotic stuff to test thousands of people decades or centuries earlier, depending on when exactly the Bands were made.

Devil’s advocate: Chromium was first isolated in 1797 while Aluminum was discovered in 1825, 28 years later. The initial process of discovery for Chromium was pretty simple too, the initial method was reacting ore with hydrochloric acid to form an oxide and then baking that oxide in a charcoal oven to yield pure Chromium.

There’s not really a barrier to getting it if you already can produce Aluminum beyond knowing how to do it.

[Dawnshard]

They could have used recycled Inquisitor spikes to get Feruchemist abilities

 

[Isilel]

4 hours ago, Dawnshard said:

They could have used recycled Inquisitor spikes to get Feruchemist abilities

 

 

No Inquisitor would have had F-Nicrosil, F-Duralumin or F-Aluminum spikes, which are all essential for making of the Bands. 

@Oltux72: nickel was first extracted and identified  in 1751 in a lab, and as pointed out above, chromium was first isolated in 1797. It was entirely possible for Kelsier coming off shardhood with expanded metallurgic knowledge and/or for people working for him to produce small amounts of Nicrosil. Big Industrial base wouldn't have been required for that.

At this point I think that Spook likely did charge the allomantic reserves of the Bands, but how the feruchemical aspect of their creation was achieved is a complete mystery, unless Harmony himself lent a hand.

On the plus side, his involvement might explain why on Scadrial Kelsier chose to leave the Bands at the temple - the god forced him to divest himself of this power, once SoScads have been saved. It would also provide an excellent reason why they couldn't have been copied.

On the minus side, if this was the case, it really should have come up in the epilogue conversation. OTOH, it already completely omits everything  related to SoScads in the most contrived manner - like, they must both use hemalurgy and practice selective breeding of their few Metalborn by having them be a caste apart, since keeping certain powers around is an existential factor for them. So, what is one more artificial elision?