Chapter 53 death rattle

[The_Milkgod]

“He must pick it up, the fallen title! The tower, the crown, and the spear!” 
 

I got bored and decided to go looking through the death rattles. Do we know what this one is referring to or have any ideas? 
 

edit: I did not mean to post this twice and I can’t figure out how to delete it

Edited November 19, 2022 by The_Milkgod

[Velvet]

4 hours ago, The_Milkgod said:

“He must pick it up, the fallen title! The tower, the crown, and the spear!” 
 

I got bored and decided to go looking through the death rattles. Do we know what this one is referring to or have any ideas? 
 

edit: I did not mean to post this twice and I can’t figure out how to delete it

While I'm not sure if there is any confirmation to what this refers to it seems to point towards someone replacing (not sure if this is spoiler? don't think it is because 6 months have passed)

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Elhokar

And from the use of the spear, it feels as if it won't be a traditional character. Those who might seem like the replacements seem more fit towards shardblades, so I am unsure about who this could be referring to. The only other idea that comes to mind is that the fallen title refers to that of a shard, and is instead pointing towards Honor? More of a random thought without reason behind it to be honest.

[Treamayne]

I don;t think we have confirmation, but there are many theories (most of which revolve around the fact that Dalinar's personal Glyphpair for the Kholin Princedom is the Tower and the Crown). However Elhokar's was the Tower and Sword. 

We do not yet know Adolin's (now that he is Highprince); nor do we know if Elhokar was using the same pair as Gavilar, what pair Gavinor will have nor if Navani and/or Jasnah will have their own, inherit one or something else.

7 hours ago, The_Milkgod said:

edit: I did not mean to post this twice and I can’t figure out how to delete it

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[Beodrakis]

When I heard fallen title and the spear, my thoughts immediately go to Kaladin, Stormblessed was the fallen title, and he used the spear, I just don't know about the crown. Also, death rattle s have the possibility of being about the past.

[The_Milkgod]

On 11/19/2022 at 9:36 PM, Velvet said:

While I'm not sure if there is any confirmation to what this refers to it seems to point towards someone replacing (not sure if this is spoiler? don't think it is because 6 months have passed)

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Elhokar

And from the use of the spear, it feels as if it won't be a traditional character. Those who might seem like the replacements seem more fit towards shardblades, so I am unsure about who this could be referring to. The only other idea that comes to mind is that the fallen title refers to that of a shard, and is instead pointing towards Honor? More of a random thought without reason behind it to be honest.

Jasnah has replaced him though, so how does that fit? 

[The_Milkgod]

On 11/20/2022 at 0:49 AM, Treamayne said:

I don;t think we have confirmation, but there are many theories (most of which revolve around the fact that Dalinar's personal Glyphpair for the Kholin Princedom is the Tower and the Crown). However Elhokar's was the Tower and Sword. 

We do not yet know Adolin's (now that he is Highprince); nor do we know if Elhokar was using the same pair as Gavilar, what pair Gavinor will have nor if Navani and/or Jasnah will have their own, inherit one or something else.

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Could be interesting if it was about Adolin. Maybe something that happens in the fifth book.

[The_Milkgod]

5 hours ago, Beodrakis said:

When I heard fallen title and the spear, my thoughts immediately go to Kaladin, Stormblessed was the fallen title, and he used the spear, I just don't know about the crown. Also, death rattle s have the possibility of being about the past.

He’s one of my main thoughts of who it could be referring too as well. I’ve thought about Dalinar but the spear doesn’t really fit. Yeah that’s true, maybe Gavilar… sorta with some of the stuff revealed in S5’s prologue.

[Treamayne]

1 hour ago, The_Milkgod said:

Jasnah has replaced him though, so how does that fit? 

1 hour ago, The_Milkgod said:

Could be interesting if it was about Adolin. Maybe something that happens in the fifth book.

1 hour ago, The_Milkgod said:

He’s one of my main thoughts of who it could be referring too as well. I’ve thought about Dalinar but the spear doesn’t really fit.

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[teknopathetic]

This always makes me think of someone taking up Jezrian's role in the oathoact, but I dont have strong proof of why. 

Edited November 29, 2022 by teknopathetic

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6 hours ago, The_Milkgod said:

Could be interesting if it was about Adolin. Maybe something that happens in the fifth book.

I like this one! The fallen title could be referring to the name/ rank of the Edgedancer that broke his bond with Maya. The Tower and Crown fits due to his heritage and, while the spear isn't a weapon Adolin typically uses, I could see a scene where he picks up a spear from a wounded soldier to protect him, reigniting the bond (maybe in Shadesmar, to justify the use of a typical weapon over his Shardblade).

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17 hours ago, Treamayne said:

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[Beodrakis]

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[Breeze]

On 11/19/2022 at 3:06 PM, The_Milkgod said:

“He must pick it up, the fallen title! The tower, the crown, and the spear!” 
 

I got bored and decided to go looking through the death rattles. Do we know what this one is referring to or have any ideas? 
 

edit: I did not mean to post this twice and I can’t figure out how to delete it

I believe that the "tower" is referring to Urithiru, of course. The crown might not be a literal crown, but likely the mantle of kingship. Similarly, I believe the spear does not refer to an actual spear, but represents an attack or offensive position. In all, I believe this is speaking of Dalinar's upcoming battle against Odium's champion. 

[The_Milkgod]

1 hour ago, Breeze said:

I believe that the "tower" is referring to Urithiru, of course. The crown might not be a literal crown, but likely the mantle of kingship. Similarly, I believe the spear does not refer to an actual spear, but represents an attack or offensive position. In all, I believe this is speaking of Dalinar's upcoming battle against Odium's champion. 

Agreed on the tower, I can’t think of anything else that that would be referring too. He is the king of Urithiru though right? I feel like something was said about that in the beginning of RoW but I could be wrong. I haven’t thought of that with the spear, interesting, could make sense. Other than what you said about the spear I don’t see how it would relate to the fight. The quote in whole, to me, seems to be more about someone taking up a position involving all four things mentioned.

[Breeze]

1 hour ago, The_Milkgod said:

Agreed on the tower, I can’t think of anything else that that would be referring too. He is the king of Urithiru though right? I feel like something was said about that in the beginning of RoW but I could be wrong. I haven’t thought of that with the spear, interesting, could make sense. Other than what you said about the spear I don’t see how it would relate to the fight. The quote in whole, to me, seems to be more about someone taking up a position involving all four things mentioned.

Well, I understand what you are saying, but think about it this way: At first, Dalinar took the Urithiru. Then he became King, and during this all he became the first Bondsmith in hundreds of years. The prediction is like an account of all of his exploits. The Tower=Urithiru, The crown=The kingship, The fallen title= him becoming bondsmith, because bondsmith was the fallen title. Next he will have to take up the spear, finally attacking Odium (or rather his champion) directly, instead of defending himself constantly.

[The_Milkgod]

9 minutes ago, Breeze said:

Well, I understand what you are saying, but think about it this way: At first, Dalinar took the Urithiru. Then he became King, and during this all he became the first Bondsmith in hundreds of years. The prediction is like an account of all of his exploits. The Tower=Urithiru, The crown=The kingship, The fallen title= him becoming bondsmith, because bondsmith was the fallen title. Next he will have to take up the spear, finally attacking Odium (or rather his champion) directly, instead of defending himself constantly.

Since you put it that way it makes a lot more sense. Still don’t necessarily agree but definitely a good thought and makes a lot of sense.

[Marabout]

I’ll suggest a more cryptic interpretation…

It’s Vyre