Araris Valerian Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Ookla the Debonair said: What makes me worse than insanity? You could have sent in the NK last night, and Insanity couldn't have. So we could put Paliah in the hands of a villager by exeing you. Not to mention that I think it makes a bit more sense with the distro for you to be elim. You also haven't done anything villagery that I've seen. You aren't trying to solve the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shining Silhouette Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: You could have sent in the NK last night, and Insanity couldn't have. So we could put Paliah in the hands of a villager by exeing you. Not to mention that I think it makes a bit more sense with the distro for you to be elim. Fair. Specifically what are your distro thoughts? Quote You also haven't done anything villagery that I've seen. You aren't trying to solve the game. I mean I did lynch two elims. I guess that's the main reason you wouldn't kill me- if you decided E!Silho wouldn't bus Stick and Chan- which I personally agree with.Currently I v-read Tani: Spoiler On 12/6/2022 at 7:34 PM, Ookla the Implosion said: [after she votes me] Someone please help me stop being concerned over this it's probably nothing or possibly another instance of Cash but it still worries me and has for a while On 12/6/2022 at 10:03 PM, Ookla the Implosion said: On 12/6/2022 at 9:59 PM, Ookla the Remembered said: In v!Turtle world, that's a relief. Otherwise, Um??? Edit: Oh, you mean the part about Ash having a pinch-hitter, not the part about Turtle being filter-killed. Sorry, I misread that. The hesitation of her points have been very well done—it's clear she either doesn't have tmi or is doing a great job of faking it. But this incommital post does give me some pause On 12/7/2022 at 9:41 PM, Ookla the Implosion said: Well, IIRC Kas was suspicious of them and then he died. I may be remembering incorrectly, if so please correct me. Also, I thought it was rather interesting that Elk had been quite inactive and I noticed them becoming a little more active about an IRL day or so after we started hypothesizing an inactive elim team, around the time we started trying to pick out who among the more inactive folk was elim. Again, I may be remembering incorrectly. My memory has never been very good, and right now my emotions are a bit of a wreck, so I trust my memory less than normal. This posts seems very concerned with being suspicious and is priming reasons beforehand in case she ever is suspected. Quote Youknowwhat why not, I trust Poke Vote, may as well. JNV I'll reread stuff and see if I get a read on JNV. Until then, my vote stays. Probably. Scratch the stuff on the TMI, this post is pretty interesting and shows how easily she goes onto V!JNV. Personally I think this is very overt and implies not e/e with Turtle Though overall I lean towards V!Tani And honestly this read implies two-three of <E!Turtle/Cinnamon, E!Aman/Xino, E!Insanity> Turtle: Spoiler Quote noooooo kas :(. im gonna go w jnv as well for now Sheeps Araris onto V!JNV very quickly Quote [to Tani] you’re in my poe you match the description of a low active elim team with low stakes d1 Openly suspects Tani after Tani calls Turtle "earnest" and extends trust Quote edit 2: i also felt very earnest in qf63 and kas can tell you how that went edit 3: archer you “i find it interesting’ is scaring me Later in post references E!Turtle game—this is elimmy to me cause this is totally something e!me would do, don't necessarily know about Turtle but—I feel bad sometimes about overtly pocketing somebody when I'm evil (or the one time I was evil and I pocketed Symph in QF62) and saying things like this help your conscience Also the edit 3 shows nervousness about being confronted in thread Quote thoughts on a cash/tun/jnv team or is cash/tun either/or? i think i gave tun a v read bc he voted along w stick and i’m not sure stick would follow a teammates vote like that but it could totally happen Proposes a V/V/V team? Is this tmi? Quote tbh the lack of talking rn makes me thing mayyybe v! jnv could also just be a symptom of a very dead thread though Takes vote off JNV to promote conversation? Will grudgingly admit this is villagery Quote that? something in me feels like we have e!cash and the elim doc has something very very similar to that in it Quote that being said i am partial to e!cash Quote that being said, i’m still good with my cash vote as i think it makes sense- i don’t want to vote jnv out for similar things as what i got him mld for qf63. pushes E!Cash in several posts Overall I definitely lean E!Turtle Xino/Aman Spoiler Xino: Quote Gaaah internet is not cooperating >:( From last EoD I am sus of Elkanah. That movement at the end was quite strange indeed. Votes V!Elk for suspicious vote Quote Quote - Xino, why between Bookwyrm and TUN? Was Mat a no-go for you? (Noteworthy that Xino has Mat on TUN and thinks it was a tie between TUN and Bookwyrm. But his voting would've created a tie between Bookwyrm and Mat anyway so I don't see the motivation for this move.) Uh... to tie. Now that you mention that, yeah that probably wasn't my smartest play >.< Kas questions his vote from previous cycle which wasn't made on good ground and doesn't have justification Also Xino wasn't on for EoD D1 (I think?) and Kas wondered if that meant he was fine with the state of affairs. Aman Quote V: Araris JNV Archer N+: Elkanah Turtle N: Tani Silho Infinite POE N5 includes two people I lean towards V (well one I know is V and another I lean towards) Quote That said, v!Tani is one of my least confident reads Yes it seems my entire read here is based on V!Tani but I won't question that atm Questions V!Tani Quote Xino --> Kalak Honorblade Transportation (Roleblock) Cohesion (Riot) Illwei --> Paliah Honorblade Progression (Lurcher) Illumination (Smoker) Stick --> Shallash Honorblade Illumination (Smoker) Transformation (Seeker) Cash --> Battar Honorblade Transformation (Seeker) Transportation (Roleblock) Tani --> Vedel Honorblade Abrasion (Tineye) Progression (Lurcher) Vigilante --> Chanarach Honorblade Division (Coinshot) Abrasion (Tineye) JNV --> Jezrien Honorblade Adhesion (Soother) Gravitation (Lookout) Unknown --> Ishar Honorblade Tension (Grants more stormlight to another player) Adhesion (Soother) :000000000000 How did I not see this post This game makes sense now Quote Also do you think v!JNV = v!Turtle? Did you have any reason for suspecting Turtle other than defending JNV from an early exe? Defends Turtle :eyes: Quote Given Turtle's currently inactive, is this really the vote you want to start with? At the very least we know they didn't submit JNV's kill order. Defends Turtle again :eyes::eyes: Quote All in all, my PoE today is something like <Tani, Infinite, Elk>. I feel confident saying there are 2 elims among them + Silho. I suppose I could be wrong about Turtle, or more wrong about Archer/Araris, but I'm not interested in going after an inactive or getting distracted by paranoia. If there's a 3rd left, we'll probably need to deal with a deep wolf later. Well if I'm running with V!Tani (which I am), this post is wrong. Quote @Araris Valerian Re: "e!Insanity would have used Ishar’s blade." I can see that, but Stormlight charges cap at 2, right? If so, it's possible their teammates didn't run out yet so they put in the kill to maximize the Tension benefits + have an extra charge in case they needed to Soothe a vote today. Otherwise yeah. JNV's murderer would need to be me, Elkanah, e!Tani, or e!Archer. Didn't really see context of this but if V!Tani then E!Aman? Definitely am thinking Aman is e/e with Turtle. Insanity Spoiler Okay so the way I usually find posts is I check their profile and click their recent SE posts. But insanity does other things on the shard and I don't remember anything she did this game. Probably lean towards E cause this is her first game I think and I would've expected more confusion and/or Newvillagerness? Also she didn't submit the kill so it's worth looking here later not now So yeah I definitely think E!Aman and E!Turtle/Cinnamon, but I'll start with Aman Insanity Edit: Aman Actually E!Aman is dependent on E!Cinnamon/Turtle, I think, so I'll go there first Edited December 10, 2022 by Ookla the Debonair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Araris Valerian Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 (edited) @Ookla the Debonair So one of the things with Turtle is that the D4 shift from JNV to Cash doesn’t really make tons of sense for e!Turtle to attempt IMO. That’s a dramatic attempt to just get a different villager killed. Based on D3 the elims this game are not that interested in wielding thread influence (with a potential exception of Aman), so e!Turtle’s D4 behavior is inconsistent there. I will concede that Aman has consistently pushed against a Turtle exe. What would you say about his posts in response to my suspicion of him earlier this cycle? Also, do you have any reason to read Insanity as village? Edit: We probably want to vote out the person that sent in the NK, which cannot be Turtle or Insanity Edited December 10, 2022 by Araris Valerian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shining Silhouette Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: @Ookla the Debonair So one of the things with Turtle is that the D4 shift from JNV to Cash doesn’t really make tons of sense for e!Turtle to attempt IMO. That’s a dramatic attempt to just get a different villager killed. Based on D3 the elims this game are not that interested in wielding thread influence (with a potential exception of Aman), so e!Turtle’s D4 behavior is inconsistent there. Was it that dramatic though? I feel like upon the JNV exe they would have been suspected for their early sheep vote and so they moved to avoid suspicion Quote I will concede that Aman has consistently pushed against a Turtle exe. What would you say about his posts in response to my suspicion of him earlier this cycle? I think a lot of it makes sense from an E!Aman pov because it is very firm reaction. I haven't played with him so I wouldn't really know much about his player profile. Quote Also, do you have any reason to read Insanity as village? I do not. But I also didn't look at any of her posts. I kinda put her to the side to be looked at later. Lowkey don't really remember her this game. Yes people think we're teamed but I have no memory of our interactions haha Quote Hello Cinnamon! I don't believe we've ever played together. Hoping you'll be able to spice this game up. Also lol Aman nice pun Edit: 11 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: Edit: We probably want to vote out the person that sent in the NK, which cannot be Turtle or Insanity Just saw your edit. Yeah, that's fair. Turtle/Cinnamon Aman Edited December 10, 2022 by Ookla the Debonair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Araris Valerian Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Ookla the Debonair said: I think a lot of it makes sense from an E!Aman pov because it is very firm reaction. But he made specific points about why he isn't elim. What would your response be to those specific points? Edited December 10, 2022 by Araris Valerian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shining Silhouette Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 Just now, Araris Valerian said: But he made specific points about why he isn't elim. What would your response be to those specific points. Oh there is stuff in there I didn't reconcile my prior posts with On 12/9/2022 at 11:07 AM, Ookla the Remembered said: It's the same reason I pushed Insanity over Elkanah D6. I don't believe the elims started with a single Honorblade (Shallash). That means there's an elim between Insanity and Tani (+me for the rest of you). I feel good about Tani for several reasons while Insanity is just... around. And flipping e!Insanity clears me, so I have an incentive to get them out versus Silho, who I have no hard mechanical evidence for. In this post he defends Tani and pushes E!Insanity If E!Aman, is this a bus? Or a search for a misexe? On 12/9/2022 at 11:07 AM, Ookla the Remembered said: Insanity is confirmed elim based on the info I have. Why would I gamble on Silho when Insanity could be teamed with either Silho, Turtle/Cinnamon, Tani, or you? On 12/9/2022 at 1:10 PM, Ookla the Remembered said: @Araris Valerian in case you don't see this edit, I would prefer Insanity myself if only to prove my innocence This progression makes little sense to me. Why did you vote me if so? If I'm lynched this cycle, then I feel like this sets up a potential ML if V!Insanity On 12/9/2022 at 1:10 PM, Ookla the Remembered said: @Araris Valerian in case you don't see this edit, I would prefer Insanity myself if only to prove my innocence, but understand if you don't want to take that risk for me and would be willing to vote any player you believe could be my partner. Is this volunteering for a bus? This was actually what I was going to say when I asked about potential partners haha, so +V points. Honestly Aman's tone is really good in his defense. He seems pretty earnest. MY worldview made so much sense before ahaiusvknl jbsahdgbhsdaj kv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Araris Valerian Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Ookla the Debonair said: If I'm lynched this cycle, then I feel like this sets up a potential ML if V!Insanity The next day won't matter, so this doesn't make any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfiniteInsanity Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 What does ML mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shining Silhouette Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: The next day won't matter, so this doesn't make any sense. What do you mean? You mean even if don't we exe V!me and get an elim, it's still up to chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Araris Valerian Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 Just now, Ookla the Debonair said: What do you mean? You mean even if don't we exe V!me and get an elim, it's still up to chance? If we hit an elim, we win. If we don't, then the night actions determine who wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shining Silhouette Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, InfiniteInsanity said: What does ML mean? Mislynch 27 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: If we hit an elim, we win. If we don't, then the night actions determine who wins. So then let's do it! Edit: The lack of defense of Insanity from any corner of this game I think implies V!Insanity—I feel like elims would be more likely to defend a teammate if they LOSE if one of them gets lynched. So if V!Insanity, what does that imply? What would be the reason for E!Aman to prompt a switch to me from V!Insanity? Does it draw attention away from his corner of attention by focusing on Insanity/Silho teams? Does it give him trust from Araris for prompting a switch that Araris suggested? I feel like my flip this would be bad for Aman though for starting the motion that kills a villager. Though maybe the point is to keep Insanity as a possibility for those to die next cycle during the night shenanigans. But I feel like Araris would likely turn towards Aman in this possibility. Actually, what about E!Insanity? In this world, Aman is village and the potential teammates are Tani and Turtle/Cinnamon. Wait this makes sense actually. Both haven't been active participants so far and then wouldn't have the chance to defend Insa. This actually seems far more likely to me—I've had a hard time reconciling E!Aman with everything that's going on even with his defense of Turtle. Aman and Araris, how do we feel about Insanity? Edit 2: @Ookla the Remembered, @Araris Valerian Edited December 10, 2022 by Ookla the Debonair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashbringer Posted December 10, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Ookla the Implosion said: @AshbringerIf we complain enough/agree that we want the Night turn extended for a few hours, would you do it? I'm working with Devo on this. Early action submission is more likely than a Night turn extension, but it's rather late in the game to add that as a rule either. Also - please don't edit in vote changes. Or vote for people who are pinch hitting based on their prior player's names. I'd be looking for Cinnamon and not Turtle. Vote Count: InfiniteInsanity (2): Shining Silhouette / Ookla the Debonair, Tani / Ookla the Implosion Shining Silhouette / Ookla the Debonair (2): Araris Valerian, Amanuensis / Ookla the Remembered Edited December 10, 2022 by Ashbringer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amanuensis Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 (edited) I have been thinking that Tani works as a partner for Insanity, or if I look at it the opposite way, Silho. Yesterday she tied Elkanah with Insanity, which led to us all consolidating (could indicate partnership). She also has had Silho in her bottom tier for a long time, but I don't remember her ever voting for him. Ultimately the question is: what's the chance of the elims starting with 3 blades? Shallash/Ishar/Kalak or Shallash/Ishar/Vedel is a bit harder to sell than just Shallash/Ishar, Shallash/Kalak, or Shallash/Vedel, + Silho. An Insanity/Tani team would have to require Insanity killing JNV without Tani making that choice, given she forgot JNV died, which seems very unlikely. That leaves Insanity/me or Insanity/you, and I've been pushing Insanity for two days, which means the team has to be You/Insanity, You/Me, or You/Tani. Turtle couldn't have submitted a kill the turn you were RB'd, so they're completely ruled out. The alternative would be a Tani/Turtle team or an Aman/Turtle, as you surmised, because neither of us have accountable actions the last two nights and could've killed, but then Tani would have to have faked forgetting that she killed JNV or I would have to have failed to save Chantara; but again, e!me would have wanted Elkanah to die before Insanity, and I was pushing Insanity all day. I prefer Insanity because I think they're more likely the last elim blade over Tani, so really it's up to Araris. Given the elims have all the vote manip, it's critical for the village to consolidate our votes as much as possible, and I trust him enough to follow his lead. ED1T: I feel insane after writing insanity that many times. Edited December 10, 2022 by Ookla the Remembered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfiniteInsanity Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 (edited) Wait y'all if you lynch me doesn't that mean Ishar's blade, the blade y'all have been worried about being in the hands of an elim, gets redistributed randomly potentially to an elim? Edited December 10, 2022 by InfiniteInsanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Araris Valerian Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 Just now, InfiniteInsanity said: Wait y'all if you lynch me doesn't that mean Ishar's blade, the blade y'all have been worried about being in the hands of an elim, gets redistributed randomly potentially to an elim? That doesn't matter. The game will be decided before anyone can use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfiniteInsanity Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 Oh, yeah. Mkay. Well once again I'm fairly certain that I can't do anything to convince people who say I'm elim anything else. If y'all don't kill me I can use Tension on someone again during the night to prove that I didn't submit a kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amanuensis Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 1 minute ago, InfiniteInsanity said: Oh, yeah. Mkay. Well once again I'm fairly certain that I can't do anything to convince people who say I'm elim anything else. If y'all don't kill me I can use Tension on someone again during the night to prove that I didn't submit a kill. Right now you could also vote Silho to put him in the lead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Araris Valerian Posted December 11, 2022 Report Share Posted December 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Ookla the Remembered said: Given the elims have all the vote manip, it's critical for the village to consolidate our votes as much as possible, and I trust him enough to follow his lead. I do have a roleblock, and those work during the day. So vote manip hopefully won't be a huge deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amanuensis Posted December 11, 2022 Report Share Posted December 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: I do have a roleblock, and those work during the day. So vote manip hopefully won't be a huge deal. True. You could block the Ishar soothe guaranteed, or Kalak if Silho has it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shining Silhouette Posted December 11, 2022 Report Share Posted December 11, 2022 4 hours ago, InfiniteInsanity said: Oh, yeah. Mkay. Well once again I'm fairly certain that I can't do anything to convince people who say I'm elim anything else. If y'all don't kill me I can use Tension on someone again during the night to prove that I didn't submit a kill. Absolutely you can. What are your thoughts on team comp if you're not evil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Araris Valerian Posted December 11, 2022 Report Share Posted December 11, 2022 There is currently a small problem, being that 2 people haven’t voted yet, and there are only 3 hours left in the cycle. This bodes poorly for the village. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shining Silhouette Posted December 11, 2022 Report Share Posted December 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: There is currently a small problem, being that 2 people haven’t voted yet, and there are only 3 hours left in the cycle. This bodes poorly for the village. I should get to bed soon. Do you want to vote somewhere else with me? Any final thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Araris Valerian Posted December 11, 2022 Report Share Posted December 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Ookla the Debonair said: Any final thoughts? RIP village I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quivil Posted December 11, 2022 Report Share Posted December 11, 2022 11 hours ago, Araris Valerian said: I don’t need to be protected anymore though. Either I block the kill (don’t need a protect), kill an elim (one elim doesn’t need Chana), or fail to do either (and we lose regardless). In all cases protecting me doesn’t matter. Edit: I guess there’s the possibility that Ash lets you submit an action early. Also, unless Sunday in your time zone exactly overlaps with the cycles for this game, you would have a 1-2 hour window on one end where it would be N7 but not Sunday if that helps. Nope, that doesn't help. I'm not allowed to get up before three in the morning, and I'm only allowed up then if I have actual legitimate school-related needs. 6 hours ago, Ookla the Remembered said: She also has had Silho in her bottom tier for a long time, but I don't remember her ever voting for him. On 12/6/2022 at 7:34 PM, Ookla the Implosion said: Silho's statements recently are making me nervous. They feel... off somehow, in several posts. It feels to me kind of like they're meant to push V!Silho overly strongly, and it worries me, especially since I already read Silho null-negative. Someone please help me stop being concerned over this it's probably nothing or possibly another instance of Cash but it still worries me and has for a while --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Inity Silho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashbringer Posted December 11, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2022 Vote Count: Shining Silhouette / Ookla the Debonair (3): Araris Valerian, Amanuensis / Ookla the Remembered, Tani / Ookla the Implosion InfiniteInsanity (1): Shining Silhouette / Ookla the Debonair 40 minutes until rollover! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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