What reduced Atiun production at the pits pre-Kelsier exploding them?

[Storyspren Forescout]

So I was relistening to OG Mistborn recently and I noticed that Elend tells Vin that Atium production is down after an incident a few years ago. In context this can only mean when Kelsier escaped the pits, because the pits hadn't even been destroyed yet in the book.

My question then becomes why did Kelsier's escape from the pits reduce Atium production?

What really happened there?

And is it on any way related to the "Survive" command?

 

 

 

 

[Quantus Most Ancient]

1 hour ago, Storyspren said:

So I was relistening to OG Mistborn recently and I noticed that Elend tells Vin that Atium production is down after an incident a few years ago. In context this can only mean when Kelsier escaped the pits, because the pits hadn't even been destroyed yet in the book.

My question then becomes why did Kelsier's escape from the pits reduce Atium production?

What really happened there?

And is it on any way related to the "Survive" command?

 

 

 

 

I think that was a cover story for the kandra diverting Atium from the economy to their secret horde. 

[Shallan Stormblessed Twinborn]

Didn't he burn atium there? That would break the atium. Right?

...Right?

[HSuperLee Shardbearer]

1 hour ago, Shallan Stormblessed said:

Didn't he burn atium there? That would break the atium. Right?

...Right?

As far as I know, the atium producing things* break around allomancy due to the presence of Preservation's power in allomancy. Since atium isn't powered by Preservation, it shouldn't interfere with the atium producing things*.

Note*, I have no idea what to call the fissures that produce atium. I don't remember exactly how all that worked since its been a while since I read Mistborn and I don't have my book on me, but I didn't think the geodes were themselves producing atium.

[Treamayne Spinner]

2 hours ago, Shallan Stormblessed said:

Didn't he burn atium there? That would break the atium. Right?

...Right?

33 minutes ago, HSuperLee said:

As far as I know, the atium producing things* break around allomancy due to the presence of Preservation's power in allomancy. Since atium isn't powered by Preservation, it shouldn't interfere with the atium producing things*.

Note*, I have no idea what to call the fissures that produce atium. I don't remember exactly how all that worked since its been a while since I read Mistborn and I don't have my book on me, but I didn't think the geodes were themselves producing atium.

Not all Allomancy breaks the crystals in an Atium geode. WoB:

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Also note that while Mare was an Allomancer, she wasn't what one would call a "dangerous" Allomancer. She was a Tineye, which isn't one of the top tier martial powers. She couldn't have used atium, and even if she HAD somehow found [tin], she'd simply have been able to hear and see better. Which would have made her better at finding the atium.

The Allomancers to keep out of the Pits would have been Lurchers or Coinshots (who could have destroyed the crystals), and to a lesser extent Thugs (who could be difficult to control.) Mistborn, of course, needed to be kept far, far away, lest they get their hands on atium.

4 hours ago, Storyspren said:

So I was relistening to OG Mistborn recently and I noticed that Elend tells Vin that Atium production is down after an incident a few years ago. In context this can only mean when Kelsier escaped the pits, because the pits hadn't even been destroyed yet in the book.

My question then becomes why did Kelsier's escape from the pits reduce Atium production?

What really happened there?

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The Venture-atium connection is something I wish I could have foreshadowed a little bit better. However, without Elend being a viewpoint until this chapter (the reasons for which I'll explain in a bit) there really wasn't much I could do to connect Venture and the Pits.

By the way, the "something a few years ago" that Elend mentions happening to disturb the atium production was Kelsier, the Survivor of Hathsin, Snapping and coming to an awakening of his powers–then bursting out of his hut and slaughtering every soldier or nobleman within ten miles of the Pits.

Though unstated, we can also infer that this included the other prisoners escaping. By the time operations resume, they probably couldn't keep a "one nugget per prisoner per week" quota until the number of prisoners grew and stabilized enough to return to that level of "production."

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[Storyspren Forescout]

4 hours ago, Treamayne said:

Not all Allomancy breaks the crystals in an Atium geode. WoB:

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Brandon Sanderson

Also note that while Mare was an Allomancer, she wasn't what one would call a "dangerous" Allomancer. She was a Tineye, which isn't one of the top tier martial powers. She couldn't have used atium, and even if she HAD somehow found [tin], she'd simply have been able to hear and see better. Which would have made her better at finding the atium.

The Allomancers to keep out of the Pits would have been Lurchers or Coinshots (who could have destroyed the crystals), and to a lesser extent Thugs (who could be difficult to control.) Mistborn, of course, needed to be kept far, far away, lest they get their hands on atium.

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The Venture-atium connection is something I wish I could have foreshadowed a little bit better. However, without Elend being a viewpoint until this chapter (the reasons for which I'll explain in a bit) there really wasn't much I could do to connect Venture and the Pits.

By the way, the "something a few years ago" that Elend mentions happening to disturb the atium production was Kelsier, the Survivor of Hathsin, Snapping and coming to an awakening of his powers–then bursting out of his hut and slaughtering every soldier or nobleman within ten miles of the Pits.

Though unstated, we can also infer that this included the other prisoners escaping. By the time operations resume, they probably couldn't keep a "one nugget per prisoner per week" quota until the number of prisoners grew and stabilized enough to return to that level of "production."

This makes sense, particularly with the guards being slain. Good point. I don't think Lord Venture would have any problem finding or manufacturing condemned prisoners but trusted guards could be tough. I am not 100% convinced that is the whole story there.

[Storyspren Forescout]

7 hours ago, Quantus said:

I think that was a cover story for the kandra diverting Atium from the economy to their secret horde. 

That can't be right because the hoarding had been going on for many generations, not just a few years.

 

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4 hours ago, Storyspren said:

That can't be right because the hoarding had been going on for many generations, not just a few years.

I think Quantus meant increasing the percentage going to the Trust. Example: If pre-disturbance 75% of Atium collected at the pits went to the trust, 15% went to TLR in Luthadel and 10% was released to the economy; then post-disturbance, they used the distraction to make it 80% to the Trust, 15% to TLR and now 5% to the economy. . .

 

[king of nowhere Voidbringer]

the simple explanation is that kelsier killed all the guards and freed all the prisoners. that's the kind of event that hampers production