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Ex-Awakeners and Aging

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It's been a question to me for awhile about whether or not an old Awakener who has been kept young via Breaths would age and die as... (Mistborn spoilers)

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Rashek did in Mistborn.

I don't believe that they would, though. Because... (more Mistborn spoilers)

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Leras's body didn't age to dust after he died and his body lost all of it's Investiture. And since Awakeners are basically just mini-Shardic vessels, the same rule probably applies to them as well.

 

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2 hours ago, Trusk'our said:

It's been a question to me for awhile about whether or not an old Awakener who has been kept young via Breaths would age and die as... (Mistborn spoilers)

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Rashek did in Mistborn.

I don't believe that they would, though. Because... (more Mistborn spoilers)

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Leras's body didn't age to dust after he died and his body lost all of it's Investiture. And since Awakeners are basically just mini-Shardic vessels, the same rule probably applies to them as well.

 

Well, we have this WoB:

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Brandon Sanderson

Depends on which definition of immortal you mean.

Doesn't age, but can be killed by conventional means. (You've seen some of these in the cosmere, but I'll leave you to discuss who.)

Heals from wounds, but still ages. (Knights Radiant with Stormlight are like this.)

Reborn when killed. (The Heralds.)

Doesn't age and can heal, but dependent upon magic to stay this way, and so have distinct weakness to be exploited. (The Lord Ruler, among others.)

Hive beings who are constantly losing individual members, but maintaining a persistent personality spread across all of them, immortal in that as long as too much of the hive isn't wiped out, the personality can persist. (The Sleepless.)

Bits of sapient magic, eternal and endless, though the personality can be "destroyed" in specific ways. (Seons. Spren. Nightblood. Cognitive Shadows, like a certain character from Scadrial.)

Shards (Really just a supercharged version of the previous category.)

And then, of course, there's Hoid. I'm not going to say which category, if any, he's in.

Some of these blend together--the Heralds, for example, are technically a variety of Cognitive Shadow. I'm not saying each of these categories above are distinct, intended to be the end-all definitions. They're off the cuff groupings I made to explain a point: immortality is a theme of the cosmere works--which, at their core, are experiments on what happens when men are given the power of deity.

So, we know that the Fifth Heightening grants Agelessness, but what we do not know for sure is: (Mistborn/Stormlight spoilers included)

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The Agelessness used by Rashek did not affect his Spiritual Identity, compounding Atium simply kept "de-aging" the body - and we do not know of the Agelessness of the Fifth Heightening is the same (the body stops aging, but the soul continues to age) or different (neither the body nor soul age while you have the benefits of the Fifth Heightening). Since the only confirmed known example of this that is not also Returned (who have the Cognitive Shadow effects) is Vivenna/Azure and the effects of her Agelessness were not covered in Oathbringer.

 

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Probably age Rapidly, but it wasnt locked down as of 2018:

 

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If a person held enough breath to attain the 5th heightening, lived for a thousand years, and then sold all but their initial breath, would their spiritual age force them to rapidly age as we saw with Rashek, or would they resume natural aging from the point at which they ceased?

Brandon Sanderson (written)

I think they would rapidly age.

But I'm not ready to say 100%.

General Signed Books 2018 (April 17, 2018)

 

 

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On 11/3/2022 at 3:58 PM, Trusk'our said:

It's been a question to me for awhile about whether or not an old Awakener who has been kept young via Breaths would age and die as... (Mistborn spoilers)

  Reveal hidden contents

Rashek did in Mistborn.

I don't believe that they would, though. Because... (more Mistborn spoilers)

  Reveal hidden contents

Leras's body didn't age to dust after he died and his body lost all of it's Investiture. And since Awakeners are basically just mini-Shardic vessels, the same rule probably applies to them as well.

 

I imagine it is more of a pause to aging keeping at that age until you lose it and then allowing you to age regularly past that.   

We haven't seen a kid with 2000 breaths yet.   We don't know if they would have sped up aging like a child returned or anything.  

In my mind it is more of a pause than other options.  What we saw in mistborn we also have WoBs that say it was a wasteful and inefficient way to be ageless.  I think 2000 breaths would most certainly be a more effective and efficient way than that.    

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