cometaryorbit Posted June 15, 2022 Report Share Posted June 15, 2022 What if Voidbinding is a magic system defined by a way to gain powers, rather than by a set of powers? In that case, Renarin and anyone hosting Yelig-nar would be both a Voidbinder and a Surgebinder - they would gain Surgebinding through Voidbinding, in the same way that (Mistborn Hero of Ages spoilers) Spoiler Inquisitors gain their Allomancy and Feruchemy through Hemalurgy Voidbinding is historically known, there are legends about it, yet Sja-anat never corrupted/Enlightened Radiant spren before. So past Voidbinders couldn't have worked like Renarin, by bonding with a corrupted/Enlightened Radiant spren. Perhaps they bonded with the Unmade directly, Yelig-nar style? Maybe Death Rattles are a form of Voidbinding? Ten "levels" of Voidbinding might not mean ten specific powers -- Perhaps the nine Unmade plus the tenth level being based on lesser voidspren or Enlightened spren? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ShardlessVessel Posted June 15, 2022 Report Share Posted June 15, 2022 I like this a lot, and I think there's precedent. I'll see if I can find the WOB, but IIRC Brandon said in a livestream that the singers used something similar to Hemalurgy before the Fused were created. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ShardlessVessel Posted June 16, 2022 Report Share Posted June 16, 2022 Found the WOB: Quote Questioner Is Hemalurgy the way that they returned in the Desolations? Brandon Sanderson Oh, did they know Hemalurgy during the Desolations on Roshar? Questioner Yes, is that how they returned originally? Brandon Sanderson No, that's a good question. They knew some skill similar, but when they were originally returning, it was something else. Dragonsteel Mini-Con 2021 (Nov. 22, 2021) It's more to do with Hemalurgy than voidbinding, but I'm not one to shy away from wild extrapolation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted June 16, 2022 Report Share Posted June 16, 2022 5 hours ago, cometaryorbit said: What if Voidbinding is a magic system defined by a way to gain powers, rather than by a set of powers? In that case, Renarin and anyone hosting Yelig-nar would be both a Voidbinder and a Surgebinder - they would gain Surgebinding through Voidbinding, in the same way that (Mistborn Hero of Ages spoilers) Reveal hidden contents Inquisitors gain their Allomancy and Feruchemy through Hemalurgy Voidbinding is historically known, there are legends about it, yet Sja-anat never corrupted/Enlightened Radiant spren before. So past Voidbinders couldn't have worked like Renarin, by bonding with a corrupted/Enlightened Radiant spren. Perhaps they bonded with the Unmade directly, Yelig-nar style? Maybe Death Rattles are a form of Voidbinding? Ten "levels" of Voidbinding might not mean ten specific powers -- Perhaps the nine Unmade plus the tenth level being based on lesser voidspren or Enlightened spren? How is Renarin's bond any different from a regular Radiant bond then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cometaryorbit Posted June 20, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) If I'm not completely off base (which admittedly I probably am - I said it was crazy) the bond itself isn't necessarily different, but the effects are since he's bonded to an Odium infused spren. The future sight might be more of a side-effect / resonance type thing than one of his actual Surges. Future sight is supposedly characteristic of Voidbinding, so that's why I was thinking it might be a "side effect" result of a bond to an Odium infused spren rather than the effect of one specific surge... maybe something to do with being 'open' to the Spiritual... there's a WoB about Odium spren having a hole in the soul. The Diagram also says all the Unmade have some relevance to precognition, not just Moelach. Yet the base effects we see from Nergaoul and Ashertmarn aren't anything future ish... maybe they need to bond with a human for that? Edited June 20, 2022 by cometaryorbit 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cometaryorbit Posted July 5, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) Another thought: Voidbinding is said to be "cousin" to the Old Magic. The Old Magic is basically a superpowered spren messing with spiritwebs. If Voidbinding usually comes from the Unmade... well, they are also superpowered spren, if they bond or do something to a human's spiritweb to allow Voidbinding... That analogy might suggest it's less a bond and more an one-time change to the human's spiritweb, with the Unmade not having to be around the human afterward. Instead they kind of add a crack (like Hemalurgy) to the human's spiritweb, so they're Realmatically open (future sight and voidish influence) and any powers they gain are warped. The Glys-Renarin bond would be a genuinely new thing, even if the individual powers (or the way the Surges are warped) is the same as ancient Voidbinding was. Edited July 5, 2022 by cometaryorbit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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