The Wandering Wizard Posted May 10, 2022 Report Share Posted May 10, 2022 So I was thinking about spren death and started to wonder what happens to the investiture when the spren die. I found the following WoB. Spoiler James Clifford Science question! Brandon Sanderson Ohh science. Is it real science, or fake science? Adam Horne It is Brandon science. Brandon Sanderson Fake science! James Clifford With the discovery of anti-Investiture in Rhythm of War, would the correct form of anti-Investiture be usable to clear up the mess in the Sel Cognitive Realm. If so, would this completely destroy a splintered Shard? Brandon Sanderson *laughs, coughs, and is otherwise stunned* That would not be a good idea. So why would that not be a good idea? So no, this would not clear up the problem. The problem that's going on in the Cognitive Realm in Sel is that a bunch of Investiture that should be in the Spiritual Realm has been packed into the Cognitive Realm instead, through a very weird circumstance of events. If you were to introduce a bunch of anti-Investiture of the right type there, you would just generate an explosion that would be a very bad thing. Matter cannot be created or destroyed, Investiture can't be either, so it's actually changing forms. It's going from Investiture into energy! Which you know, does not leave the system. So the investiture would eventually make its way back around, you can't destroy anything in the Cosmere, just like you can't destroy anything in our universe. But you can make it change forms. And so, what's going on there is just this hope by a certain individual that what has happened there will prevent the power from becoming self-aware. It's basically Odium being like "alright I just murdered you people, I don't wanna have to come back and do it again". So he's trying to figure out a way to make this happen. As it currently stands (again, these things can change when I write future books), it was partially happenstance that he took advantage of rather than something that he was able to set up very intentionally from the beginning, but he was definitely a part. YouTube Livestream 32 (June 3, 2021) So, if investiture can't be destroyed or created only changed (conservation of energy) then if enough spren died would they end up forming honor or would something else happen? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kvothe the Bloodless Posted May 10, 2022 Report Share Posted May 10, 2022 I would think that maybe the spren, or at least the investiture of the spren go to the spiritual realm, maybe? It might be different for spren, since they are more part of the cognitive realm than the physical realm, so I'm not sure if they are able to reach the spiritual realm upon death. Quote So, if investiture can't be destroyed or created only changed (conservation of energy) then if enough spren died would they end up forming honor or would something else happen? As for reforming Honor, I don't think that would be enough investiture. Shards have basically infinite investiture, so even all of the investiture from spren won't be enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wandering Wizard Posted May 10, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2022 Then where did all the investiture go when Honor was splintered as a large majority went to the stormfather and the spren are slivers but some of the power is missing somewhere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kvothe the Bloodless Posted May 10, 2022 Report Share Posted May 10, 2022 Some went to the Heralds, some of the spren, like honorspren, are splinters, ofc there's also the stormfather as well as the sibling. There's also things like the honorblades that defintely contain some of Honor's investiture. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wandering Wizard Posted May 10, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2022 Though if all of Honor's investiture was destroyed would it form a new shard or would it return to the spirtual realm and increase the power of the shards in relativity to each other? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NameIess Posted May 10, 2022 Report Share Posted May 10, 2022 Honor's investiture was not destroyed. The bulk of it is in the spiritual realm. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wandering Wizard Posted May 10, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Nameless said: Honor's investiture was not destroyed. The bulk of it is in the spiritual realm. Could someone utilize the bulk in the spiritual realm and reform honor if they had enough investiture? As I think it would reform honor with enough investiture. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NameIess Posted May 10, 2022 Report Share Posted May 10, 2022 Just now, The Wandering Wizard said: Could someone utilize the bulk in the spiritual realm and reform honor if they had enough investiture? As I think it would reform honor with enough investiture. Possibly. Honor is splintered, and we don't really know if that can be reversed or not. You would need a lot of investiture though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wandering Wizard Posted May 10, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2022 Theoretically it can be reversed as the cosmere follows cosmere laws of science and one is that investiture can't be created or destroyed only change forms. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Returned Posted May 10, 2022 Report Share Posted May 10, 2022 28 minutes ago, The Wandering Wizard said: Theoretically it can be reversed as the cosmere follows cosmere laws of science and one is that investiture can't be created or destroyed only change forms. Maybe. I mean, it's all magic anyways, but it's as possible that the Splintering can't be reversed as that it can. The Investiture still exists either way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Hoodie Mistborn Posted May 10, 2022 Report Share Posted May 10, 2022 This is possibly tangential to the discussion, but I'm wondering if Dalinar or another Bondsmith got to the Cognitive near Sel and opened a Perpendicularity, would that help the power pass back to the Spiritual Realm rather than being trapped in the Cognitive? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wandering Wizard Posted May 10, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2022 First of all the bondsmith would probably at least have the intent to do it and have some way of drawing out the power. The thread was made to discuss theories and that is a possible plausible and at the very least only improbable as nothing is impossible only improbable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cometaryorbit Posted May 19, 2022 Report Share Posted May 19, 2022 I think undoing Splintering might be more an issue of Identity than anything else. The Investiture is all in the location-less Spiritual Realm, so maybe Identity is what makes the difference between many Splinters and one Shard. Intent may be involved too... if you held a bunch of Splinters with the right intent you might be able to merge them (Mistborn Era 1 spoilers) Spoiler This seems to have been involved in merging Ruin and Preservation to Harmony. But I don't know that you can "hold" a sapient Splinter like a Radiant spren in that sense, just bond to it. -- Does Investiture go back to the Spiritual on spren death, anyway? It seems that normal dead spren stay in the Cognitive, just non-functional... but Anti-Investiture deaths? Do they convert Investiture to energy (like a matter/antimatter reaction) or send the Investiture into the Spiritual? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapata Posted May 19, 2022 Report Share Posted May 19, 2022 11 hours ago, cometaryorbit said: It seems that normal dead spren stay in the Cognitive, just non-functional... but Anti-Investiture deaths? Do they convert Investiture to energy (like a matter/antimatter reaction) or send the Investiture into the Spiritual? Anti-Investiture reactions definitely cause explosions (like the sphere in RoW), but the mechanism for Investiture seems to be that even when it causes a Physical action, it still eventually bleeds back into the Spiritual Realm. So I think it's both, really, unless Anti-Investiture reactions truly consume the Investiture a la Nightblood. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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