Lego Mistborn Posted July 16, 2022 Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 I'm not trying to imply that, though, the staring of shardic life may be great enough to turn more than one to that path. 4 hours ago, bmcclure7 said: Which is why we know it was so called survival Shard that everyone thinks Brandon Sanderson was talking about. Brandon Sanderson clearly said that the not "survival" shard Has discovered that survival is not desirable ( Which is why I'm confused why anyone thought this was a survival shard) Given that it makes sense that this shard committed suicide. From What Brandon Sanderson described it sounds like she just gave up on life. I'm having trouble understanding, could you rephrase this for me? Thanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmcclure7 Posted July 16, 2022 Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 5 hours ago, Ta'veren Kaladin said: I'm not trying to imply that, though, the staring of shardic life may be great enough to turn more than one to that path. I'm having trouble understanding, could you rephrase this for me? Thanks. Brandon Sanderson has state that the shard that fans call the survival shard is suicidal so this fits with virtuosity comity suicide. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lego Mistborn Posted July 16, 2022 Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, bmcclure7 said: Brandon Sanderson has state that the shard that fans call the survival shard is suicidal so this fits with virtuosity comity suicide. When had he said that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmcclure7 Posted July 16, 2022 Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 33 minutes ago, Ta'veren Kaladin said: When had he said that? Paleo (paraphrased) Is Wisdom a Shard? If so, how bad does it want to survive? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) There is a Shard with a similar intent. The Shard has realized that survival might not be the most desirable/important. Footnote: Paleo later asked Brandon for clarification on this one because he couldn't quite remember the survival part when he wrote it down. Brandon stressed again what the Shard has realized. When you conclude survival is undesirable we call that suicidal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lego Mistborn Posted July 16, 2022 Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 I think the general understanding of that, is that the shard realized that some things are more important than survival, not survival itself is bad. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 5 hours ago, bmcclure7 said: Paleo (paraphrased) Is Wisdom a Shard? If so, how bad does it want to survive? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) There is a Shard with a similar intent. The Shard has realized that survival might not be the most desirable/important. Footnote: Paleo later asked Brandon for clarification on this one because he couldn't quite remember the survival part when he wrote it down. Brandon stressed again what the Shard has realized. When you conclude survival is undesirable we call that suicidal. The "Wisdom" shard and the Survival shard are not the same. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmcclure7 Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Frustration said: The "Wisdom" shard and the Survival shard are not the same. Read the original post 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 6 hours ago, bmcclure7 said: Read the original post What am I supposed to see? There is a shard that just wants to hide/survive Spoiler Chaos Give us the name of a Shard's intent we have not seen before. Brandon Sanderson There is one who just wants to hide and survive. General Signed Books 2011 (Nov. 8, 2011) Since this shard just wants to live, they cannot be Virtuosity. Additionally Brandon has never stated that it is the same shard as the one who is close to "Wisdom". Fans just assumed that with no evidence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elegy Posted July 18, 2022 Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 I might have missed something, but isn't it still possible that Mercy is the "Survival Shard"? On a side-note, I still tend to believe that the non-Whimsy Shard that Brandon was alluding to in the stream is Autonomy because of the similarities between Taldain and Lumar he stressed. So there would be an avatar of Bavadin on the planet in that case. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmcclure7 Posted July 18, 2022 Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 22 hours ago, Frustration said: What am I supposed to see? There is a shard that just wants to hide/survive Hide contents Chaos Give us the name of a Shard's intent we have not seen before. Brandon Sanderson There is one who just wants to hide and survive. General Signed Books 2011 (Nov. 8, 2011) Since this shard just wants to live, they cannot be Virtuosity. Additionally Brandon has never stated that it is the same shard as the one who is close to "Wisdom". Fans just assumed that with no evidence. The original post was about the "wisdom" shard, Both the author and me assume that that is the same thing as the "survival" shard. If it isn't then the survival shard isnt relevant to this discussion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lego Mistborn Posted July 18, 2022 Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, bmcclure7 said: The original post was about the "wisdom" shard, Both the author and me assume that that is the same thing as the "survival" shard. If it isn't then the survival shard isnt relevant to this discussion. The original post was about the identity of the survival Shard, which OP suggested was a wisdom equivalent. The whole subject is about the survival Shard, as the title implies. Also, this WoB may be causing a bunch of confusion, because it seems to imply more things than it does Quote Jofwu Can you elaborate on why you picked the name Virtuosity? As in, what does it mean to you and how does it fit in to the Cosmere? Brandon Sanderson So Virtuosity is specifically relating to artistic talent and artistic sense. I actually was just debating between Artistry and Virtuosity, and I settled on Virtuosity after a decently long debate; it's one of the reasons I haven't canonized this one yet. It is the last big hole. (I know there is one I haven't revealed that you guys kind of know what that one's general Intent is so this is the last big one to reveal, as I believe. I think there is only one, and I think you know part of that one. Maybe I am wrong. I'll have to go back and see; it's hard to remember what you guys know and what you don't know sometimes.) I wanted to get this one into the Cosmere so that we basically have all sixteen, now. The big decision was: what do I call them? And at the end, Virtuosity just rang to me in the same way Odium did, and so I picked that one. This is the Shard of artistic intent, and artistic talent, and artistic appreciation. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/493/#e15500 Edited July 18, 2022 by Ta'veren Kaladin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Child of Hodor Posted July 18, 2022 Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Ta'veren Kaladin said: The original post was about the identity of the survival Shard, which OP suggested was a wisdom equivalent. The whole subject is about the survival Shard, as the title implies. Also, this WoB may be causing a bunch of confusion, because it seems to imply more things than it does https://wob.coppermind.net/events/493/#e15500 It really does all depend on what Brandon was thinking of in that moment. The "Hide and Survive" shard is the one he's asked about the most because it's one of the few he gave a specific hint about. He gets asked about Wisdom as a shard a decent amount. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/398/#e13231 https://wob.coppermind.net/events/398/#e13239 https://wob.coppermind.net/adv_search/?query=Wisdom+Shard The only other one that he kind of let slip in recent years that I can think of is "Ingenuity" which I am confident up being Invention. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/123/#e3299 Edited July 18, 2022 by Child of Hodor 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lego Mistborn Posted July 18, 2022 Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 I'm almost certain the WoB is referring to the wisdom shard, but I think a lot of people are taking it as speaking of the survival Shard(or the two of them as one being) even though we know it could be most of the shards still alive and is not necessarily unrevealed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CognitiveShadow Posted September 16, 2022 Report Share Posted September 16, 2022 This is all super interesting! Makes me wonder.. Is one of Kelsier’s goals to find and steal this shard? (or con the vessel into passing it on to him for their own sake of safety and survival?) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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