Amira

I'm reading The Way of Kings for the first time

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4 hours ago, Amira said:

Am I close?

Very. There is always another secret though:D

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16 hours ago, Amira said:

Chapter 23.

Wait. Those guys from the prequel, Kelek/Kalak and his friends, they're the Heralds that we keep hearing about! And that Shardbearer that showed up at the end of chapter 1, he's the man Kaladin killed! Then he was denied the Shardblade, offered some dumb gift instead, refused it, and became a slave. That's why he's so sure it's all a lie.

Am I close?

I would not want to give spoilers, but since you are explicitly asking, I will vaguely say that

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it's not exact, but close

 

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19 hours ago, Amira said:

Am I close?

I liked the part where Kaladin realized just giving the bridgemen their lives wasn't enough; they also needed something to live *for*.

You're definitely close with some of it! lol

Yeah, that's something that really speaks to me too. You don't just need to be alive, you need some reason to be alive. For some people, just being alive is reason enough, but others need more.

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I went through all the chapters in part 2 and read that letter split among them. I guess this is why people say not to start the cosmere with The Stormlight Archive. I assume I would have understood more of what that's about if I'd read other books? For example, Sel is mentioned there, and I know that's a world that other books take place on. It's just that Stormight seemed so central, you know what I mean? Starting with it was just too tempting!

Also, I went to the library and for the first time realized just how ginormous these books are!! No wonder it's taking me a while to get through them. By the way, do we know who the two characters on the cover are?

Anyway, chapter 24.

I feel like the best strategy for Dalinar would be to go on a few plateau assaults, remind everyone how good he is at it, and *then* try to recruit someone for a joint assault.

I ship Adolin and Shallan. She could use marrying into a high house, and he has no luck with girls, so might as well try this one, haha.

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2 hours ago, Amira said:

I went through all the chapters in part 2 and read that letter split among them.

 

It may interest you to know that the epigraphs are collected in the coppermind wiki:

https://coppermind.net/wiki/The_Way_of_Kings/Epigraphs

So you can read them all without jumping through the various chapters. saves some hassle. but beware of spoilers

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By the way, do we know who the two characters on the cover are?

Dalinar and Eshonai. You still haven't met the second one.

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3 hours ago, Amira said:

I went through all the chapters in part 2 and read that letter split among them. I guess this is why people say not to start the cosmere with The Stormlight Archive. I assume I would have understood more of what that's about if I'd read other books? For example, Sel is mentioned there, and I know that's a world that other books take place on. It's just that Stormight seemed so central, you know what I mean? Starting with it was just too tempting!

It'll give you a reason to re-read The Way of Kings after you've gone on and read Mistborn Era 1, Elantris and Warbreaker. A chance to re-experience those things that you may have glossed over or references you missed the first time.

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Also, I went to the library and for the first time realized just how ginormous these books are!! No wonder it's taking me a while to get through them. By the way, do we know who the two characters on the cover are?

Sanderson has said that Stormlight books are plotted as a trilogy (with two smaller climaxes prior to the book's final climax). Note - this is not the same as writing it as a trilogy, since the viewpoints are more interwoven and subplots are more spread out. Also each book is in five parts, not three.

1 hour ago, king of nowhere said:

Dalinar and Eshonai. You still haven't met the second one.

Here's the relevant WoB, if you are interested:

 

Spoiler

 

Brandon Sanderson

[Eshonai] I believe is one that Michael Whelan intended to be one figures on the covers, one's Dalinar, and one's Eshonai. But that scene is not 100% accurate from the book. Usually with book covers we are looking for a poster for the book, like a movie poster, which isn't necessarily an exact scene from the book. But I believe it's who it was intended to be.

 

You will meet Eshonai in the same chapter that bears her name (though her name isn't used on-screen until book two).

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Thanks!

Another theory I had and forgot to mention: Kalak's one colleague who got left behind is the stormfather

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Someone already mentioned this but just to second: I think you’ll love a reread after going through Mistborn, Elantris, and Warbreaker in the future. There are so many Cosmere parallels, points of connection, and Easter eggs between Way of Kings and the other stories. A while ago I tried to read Way of Kings as my intro to the Cosmere, quickly felt disoriented and decided to start with the shorter works first. Then I picked up Way of Kings a couple weeks ago and it was like taking a matrix pill where all the zeros and ones become sounds and colors haha! Just finished reading it all the way through and it’s already my favorite book in the Cosmere!

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6 hours ago, JWParker said:

Someone already mentioned this but just to second: I think you’ll love a reread after going through Mistborn, Elantris, and Warbreaker in the future. There are so many Cosmere parallels, points of connection, and Easter eggs between Way of Kings and the other stories. A while ago I tried to read Way of Kings as my intro to the Cosmere, quickly felt disoriented and decided to start with the shorter works first. Then I picked up Way of Kings a couple weeks ago and it was like taking a matrix pill where all the zeros and ones become sounds and colors haha! Just finished reading it all the way through and it’s already my favorite book in the Cosmere!

Interesting. How far did you get on that first try? I haven't felt disoriented yet. I just don't understand the thing with this forum chasing Hoid (lol), though I liked the part where he says they wouldn't know what to do with him if they caught him. I hope they catch him now!

 

Chapter 25:

Gosh, Roshar seems so harsh. Also, I'm seeing a parallel between Adolin's relationship with his father and Kaladin's relationship with his father. In both cases, the son is worried about what people are saying about his father, while the father doesn't seem concerned.

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48 minutes ago, Amira said:

Interesting. How far did you get on that first try? I haven't felt disoriented yet. I just don't understand the thing with this forum chasing Hoid (lol), though I liked the part where he says they wouldn't know what to do with him if they caught him. I hope they catch him now!

 

Chapter 25:

Gosh, Roshar seems so harsh. Also, I'm seeing a parallel between Adolin's relationship with his father and Kaladin's relationship with his father. In both cases, the son is worried about what people are saying about his father, while the father doesn't seem concerned.

The first try I only lasted a few chapters. I jumped right into it after finishing another series and it was difficult shaking the other world from my mind while trying to acclimate to Roshar. But getting accustomed to the Cosmere before going back to Way of Kings was incredibly helpful. 

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14 hours ago, Amira said:

. I just don't understand the thing with this forum chasing Hoid (lol), though I liked the part where he says they wouldn't know what to do with him if they caught him. I hope they catch him now!

 

You had read the whole letter to Frost?

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I think that letter imply they are chasing him because they believe in non intervention and all he does in the books is intervention so they want to stop him.

 

Of course, there could be other interpretation, like maybe the forum is chasing Hoid because they want his signature on their leatherbounds..

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Chapter 26:

Gosh, what's wrong with Sadeas? He insisted to tag along specifically so he could mock Dalinar?! I didn't realize that at the end of the day he's just a petty bully. By the way, on the first Dalinar/Adolin chapter I wrote that I thought Adolin should focus on becoming a great man himself rather than fixating on his father, but now that I've read more, I understand why he's fixated on his father, since Dalinar is the head of their house. I actually do suspect that the voice, in the visions and out of them, is Hoid, considering his talk of intervention. I was sad that Dalinar started questioning the visions. He can believe in them and still go on plateau assaults. His newfound repulsion is what's really going to stop him. Before, I saw a way forward - go on assaults, earn the others' respect again, then try to lead them like he wanted. Now, with the repulsion, he's in trouble. Poor Dalinar :/

One last thing I want to say is that the way they're always able to fit entire conversations within the span of ten heartbeats is very unrealistic.

So far, my favorite character ranking goes:

1) Szeth

2) Wit

3) Kaladin

4) Dalinar

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6 hours ago, Amira said:

One last thing I want to say is that the way they're always able to fit entire conversations within the span of ten heartbeats is very unrealistic.

The resting heart rate of an “athletic”, middle-aged human male (on earth, anyway) can dip down to 47 BPM or so. For well-trained, battle-ready soldiers 10 heart beats could work out to as much as 12-13 seconds, which is a lot longer than it sounds if people talk fast (and they don’t need to stop & think about what they’re going to say). That said, you aren’t wrong…

The first time Sanderson does the “10 heat beats [a bunch of stuff happens]” thing, back when the chasmfiend attacks, I thought the “time stretching” effect was a great way to pull you into the scene (IIRC, people in suddenly dangerous situations have reported feeling like time slowed down), even if the timing was a bit long. I remember at least one other occurrence where Sanderson clearly didn’t keep track of time correctly. Unless, of course, Rosharans have lower heart rates than humans do IRL. Or maybe he doesn’t care and is just doing it for dramatic effect… having a countdown started like that does tend to add a sense of urgency to the situation.

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1 hour ago, TheOtherDave said:

The resting heart rate of an “athletic”, middle-aged human male (on earth, anyway) can dip down to 47 BPM or so. For well-trained, battle-ready soldiers 10 heart beats could work out to as much as 12-13 seconds, which is a lot longer than it sounds if people talk fast (and they don’t need to stop & think about what they’re going to say). That said, you aren’t wrong…

The first time Sanderson does the “10 heat beats [a bunch of stuff happens]” thing, back when the chasmfiend attacks, I thought the “time stretching” effect was a great way to pull you into the scene (IIRC, people in suddenly dangerous situations have reported feeling like time slowed down), even if the timing was a bit long. I remember at least one other occurrence where Sanderson clearly didn’t keep track of time correctly. Unless, of course, Rosharans have lower heart rates than humans do IRL. Or maybe he doesn’t care and is just doing it for dramatic effect… having a countdown started like that does tend to add a sense of urgency to the situation.

The slow down of time really is an unique feeling. Where you see everything and can think in such a way that you almost wish you could always be “in the zone” 

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Not a chapter update, but I had many doubts about my choice of starting the cosmere with the Stormlight Archive, and after hearing Brandon's explanation this evening during the live stream about where you should start based on what kind of reader you are, I am so happy I decided to start with SA, it sounds like the perfect option for me!

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16 hours ago, Amira said:

One last thing I want to say is that the way they're always able to fit entire conversations within the span of ten heartbeats is very unrealistic.

I noticed that too! Yeah, they must talk fast.

Although I feel like I've heard that Roshar has lower gravity than Earth, so that might make heartbeats sllooweerrr...? Maybe? I don't know science well enough to say...

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13 hours ago, Amira said:

Not a chapter update, but I had many doubts about my choice of starting the cosmere with the Stormlight Archive, and after hearing Brandon's explanation this evening during the live stream about where you should start based on what kind of reader you are, I am so happy I decided to start with SA, it sounds like the perfect option for me!

I started with Stormlight as my first Cosmere book and I was fine. Honestly, there is so much content woven through all of the different books that I don't think there is a reading order that will be totally satisfying until all (or nearly all) of the books are written. It takes a lot of effort to appreciate all of the connections that are there, and there are definitely many that we don't understand yet because the key information to do so just hasn't been published.

I'm glad you're liking Way of Kings as your first Cosmere book. I loved it, and moving from it to Mistborn pulled me into everything permanently.

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Chapter 27

That was a beautiful chapter. Now that the bridgemen listen to Kaladin, I wonder how he's going to use their help to improve life for everyone / rebel / escape. It would be awesome if somehow Bridge Four gets handed off to Dalinar, since he told his man he could train one bridge crew, but I don't see how that could happen; I assume men aren't usually handed off from one brightlord to another.

I feel like I'm Kaladin in my life, trying to lead people who've fallen through the cracks out of a bad situation while none of us have many resources.

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2 hours ago, Amira said:

Chapter 27

That was a beautiful chapter. Now that the bridgemen listen to Kaladin, I wonder how he's going to use their help to improve life for everyone / rebel / escape. It would be awesome if somehow Bridge Four gets handed off to Dalinar, since he told his man he could train one bridge crew, but I don't see how that could happen; I assume men aren't usually handed off from one brightlord to another.

I feel like I'm Kaladin in my life, trying to lead people who've fallen through the cracks out of a bad situation while none of us have many resources.

Glad you enjoyed the chapter. . .

TWoK Ch 27:

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You were not shocked when a child knew how to breathe. You were not shocked when a skyeel took flight for the first time. You should not be shocked when you hand Kaladin Stormblessed a spear and he knows how to use it.

This quote really does sum up so much of Kal's arc.

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I was wondering, how does one earn the title "Stormblessed"? Is this something I'll find out later?

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3 minutes ago, Amira said:

I was wondering, how does one earn the title "Stormblessed"? Is this something I'll find out later?

It is a comon term for "lucky" or "blessed" on Roshar. There is not much more to it.

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2 hours ago, Amira said:

I was wondering, how does one earn the title "Stormblessed"? Is this something I'll find out later?

 

2 hours ago, offer said:

It is a comon term for "lucky" or "blessed" on Roshar. There is not much more to it.

As Offer said, but to answer your other question, yes you will find out why/when/how each time Kaladin gets the moniker "Stormblessed."

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there isn't any spoiler to it. Kaladin was called stormblessed in the military, because of how all-around remarkable he was. it basically just means he's da boss. and everywhere he goes, he keeps being a boss, so he keeps earning that title.

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On 7/10/2022 at 1:51 PM, offer said:

It is a comon term for "lucky" or "blessed" on Roshar. There is not much more to it.

Yeah, at this point I’m more curious about what Kaladin’s “real” family name is… I don’t remember anyone mentioning it in the books, and I didn’t seen it in his or either of his parents’ coppermind entries (which I won’t link to here because everything there is full spoilers).

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7 hours ago, TheOtherDave said:

Yeah, at this point I’m more curious about what Kaladin’s “real” family name is… I don’t remember anyone mentioning it in the books, and I didn’t seen it in his or either of his parents’ coppermind entries (which I won’t link to here because everything there is full spoilers).

 Spoilers for the series - Books 2-4 (especially as this question is only tangentially related to the thread):

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It is implied in the books that Darkeyes only have given names:

In Words of Radiance (Ch 66):

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Adolin looked into the room, then skeptically back at Kaladin. “You are crazy, you realize.”

“I’ll accept that.”

“Fine,” Adolin said, striding back into the room. “You. Moash, was it? I guess those Shards are yours, now. Congratulations. You now outrank ninety percent of Alethkar. Pick yourself a family name and ask to join one of the houses under Dalinar’s banner, or start your own if you are inclined.”

In Rhythm of War (Ch 3) 

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“Sir,” Kaladin said to Dalinar. “My father, the surgeon.”

Dalinar nodded his head. “Lirin Stormblessed. It is my honor.”

“… Stormblessed?” Lirin asked. He didn’t bow, which Navani found undiplomatic, considering whom he was meeting.

“I assumed you would take your son’s house name,” Dalinar said.

Lirin glanced at his son, who evidently hadn’t told him about his elevation.

 

 

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