medallions There's yet another issue with medallions

[Oversleep Bondsmith]

So, first a quick reminder how medallions work:

1. By some yet unknown hack you're granted ability to tap nicrosil. (some sDNA shenanigans) (my personal theory is some trace harmonium projecting Soulbearer ability)
2. You tap an unkeyed nicrosilmind, which contains another ability. Nicrosil works like copper, so it's not that you have a set amount of attribute-hours, but you have a distinct thing that you tap, use, and store back (WoB).
3. You can use the other ability, whatever it is (usually the other ring of metal is an unkeyed metalmind you can tap, like with heat, Connection or weight medallions).

Now, I've not exactly been up to date with the community, so maybe someone has already noticed the problem. But in case nobody did, here it goes:

The medallions should be single use.

Why?

Well, you've been hacked to be able to use nicrosil, so you should be able to store the ability you were using back into nicrosil, right? The problem is that it would create a nicrosilmind keyed to you. You'd need to be granted aluminum Feruchemy to be able to blank your Identity to be able to create an unkeyed metalmind. So after using medallion once nobody else should be able to use it.

Of course, that's not the case. And we see nobody storing aluminum while they were using medallions, so there's yet another thing going on here.

[Nameless* Steel Inquisitor]

It's possible that the power doesn't key itself to you when you use it.

[Oversleep Bondsmith]

18 minutes ago, Nameless said:

It's possible that the power doesn't key itself to you when you use it.

So, once an attribute is unkeyed, it would remain unkeyed even if someone (that is not storing aluminium) tapped and stored it?

I can see that working. We probably need to wait for The Lost Metal to be out to know or for Brandon to start answering questions about it...

[Nameless* Steel Inquisitor]

Just now, Oversleep said:

I can see that working. We probably need to wait for The Lost Metal to be out to know or for Brandon to start answering questions about it...

He said he'll tell us how medallions work if TLM doesn't, so we should get answers then.

[Kingsdaughter613 Prime]

10 hours ago, Oversleep said:

So, first a quick reminder how medallions work:

1. By some yet unknown hack you're granted ability to tap nicrosil. (some sDNA shenanigans) (my personal theory is some trace harmonium projecting Soulbearer ability)
2. You tap an unkeyed nicrosilmind, which contains another ability. Nicrosil works like copper, so it's not that you have a set amount of attribute-hours, but you have a distinct thing that you tap, use, and store back (WoB).
3. You can use the other ability, whatever it is (usually the other ring of metal is an unkeyed metalmind you can tap, like with heat, Connection or weight medallions).

Now, I've not exactly been up to date with the community, so maybe someone has already noticed the problem. But in case nobody did, here it goes:

The medallions should be single use.

Why?

Well, you've been hacked to be able to use nicrosil, so you should be able to store the ability you were using back into nicrosil, right? The problem is that it would create a nicrosilmind keyed to you. You'd need to be granted aluminum Feruchemy to be able to blank your Identity to be able to create an unkeyed metalmind. So after using medallion once nobody else should be able to use it.

Of course, that's not the case. And we see nobody storing aluminum while they were using medallions, so there's yet another thing going on here.

By unknown means, the nicro-power is returned to the medallion after use. The ability to use the power does not remain with the user.

[Oversleep Bondsmith]

11 hours ago, Kingsdaughter613 said:

By unknown means, the nicro-power is returned to the medallion after use. The ability to use the power does not remain with the user.

You mean the ability to tap nicrosil, right?

Yes, that is another thing to make note of. Although I believe it's more that each medallion itself is hacked in a way to let anyone use it, not that it grants the Feruchemical nicrosil power. But that is a good point! We need to ask whether someone using a medallion would be able to use Feruchemical nicrosil.

[Kingsdaughter613 Prime]

28 minutes ago, Oversleep said:

You mean the ability to tap nicrosil, right?

Yes, that is another thing to make note of. Although I believe it's more that each medallion itself is hacked in a way to let anyone use it, not that it grants the Feruchemical nicrosil power. But that is a good point! We need to ask whether someone using a medallion would be able to use Feruchemical nicrosil.

The ability held in the Nicrosil part of the medallion always returns to the medallion when not being actively tapped. We don’t know how or why that is, but it’s why the person tapping doesn’t permanently end up with that power, as the ability in the medallion is a discreet thing, like memory, and does not get used up.

[cometaryorbit Stone Shaman]

On 2/20/2022 at 0:39 PM, Kingsdaughter613 said:

The ability held in the Nicrosil part of the medallion always returns to the medallion when not being actively tapped. We don’t know how or why that is, but it’s why the person tapping doesn’t permanently end up with that power, as the ability in the medallion is a discreet thing, like memory, and does not get used up.

Yeah, it seems like breaking contact with the medallion removes the power without its being consciously "stored" again (unlike a coppermind).

This might have something to do with how medallions let you 'tap' the nicrosilmind part of it without being an actual Nicrosil Ferring? Like the medallion kind of "shoves" the ability to use nicrosil into you, but only while in physical contact?