Archer Posted December 26, 2021 Report Share Posted December 26, 2021 12 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: I did here, indirectly: I figured you'd clocked it. But when Steel made their post saying they read the thread and came out thinking that Szeth seemed village, you voted for them, but you didn't point out the flaw in their analysis. I'd have expected you to say something more along the lines of, hey, it looks like you elim killed TUA then pretended to do a thread skim to justify your vote, but forgot the other kill that happened from a Merc which gave us a flip that makes your take redundant. It looks like you just saw an easy side wagon you could park a vote on, but didn't want to deeply engage with it at the moment. Ignore the fact that I'm suspecting you both even though it's unlikely you're teammates. It'll work out somehow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Posted December 26, 2021 Report Share Posted December 26, 2021 10 minutes ago, Archer said: I figured you'd clocked it. But when Steel made their post saying they read the thread and came out thinking that Szeth seemed village, you voted for them, but you didn't point out the flaw in their analysis. I'd have expected you to say something more along the lines of, hey, it looks like you elim killed TUA then pretended to do a thread skim to justify your vote, but forgot the other kill that happened from a Merc which gave us a flip that makes your take redundant. It looks like you just saw an easy side wagon you could park a vote on, but didn't want to deeply engage with it at the moment. Ignore the fact that I'm suspecting you both even though it's unlikely you're teammates. It'll work out somehow No joke it took me until now to realize Steel even mentioned Szeth in his post That’s how focused I am at the moment I think we’re on the same page now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--- Posted December 26, 2021 Report Share Posted December 26, 2021 Steels vote is opportunistic, but that doesn't change the fact that archer looked like he was trying to make Szeth and him look partnered from their interactions before because I was trying trying to push it If I'm wrong I'm wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elandera Posted December 26, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2021 About 12 hours to get your votes and actions in. Seeing as how I've been short on sleep for at least three weeks, I may or may not be awake in time. Either way, the turn ends at noon PST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--- Posted December 26, 2021 Report Share Posted December 26, 2021 sad that day wasn't extended for chrystler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elandera Posted December 26, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2021 49 minutes ago, Illwei said: sad that day wasn't extended for chrystler Hmm. That's a good point. I think I need a day to not worry about waking up and doing things. I am extending this turn an extra 24 hours. It will now end December 27 at noon PST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Posted December 26, 2021 Report Share Posted December 26, 2021 Oh look, an excuse not to reread the thread this morning xD But no, I like this. Thanks Elan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer Posted December 26, 2021 Report Share Posted December 26, 2021 (edited) Hey @Illwei, can you shoot me a PM please and thanks? EDIT: @Walin, @Teia, which of you found the Secret piece? I assume anyone who posted would have claimed it if they had. Edited December 27, 2021 by Archer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--- Posted December 27, 2021 Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 no one answer that is not neccesary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer Posted December 27, 2021 Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Illwei said: no one answer that is not neccesary Don't bother overplaying your hand, my team won't communicate regardless of any discouragement you want to throw at them. It's a free village read. No one's going to fake counter claim it, so why wouldn't we want to know who got it. I'd rather hoped it would tell me whether I'm being hammered by two elims or three, but as soon as I post this I know you're going to come out and say you did in fact find it because that mires the whole approach. Illwei's two main points against me are 1/ the kills seem like my style. That's subjective and we don't know which team made any of them. 2/ my C2 vote made it look like I was e-e with Szeth. Perhaps when Szeth voted on me, that bad read should have been corrected. Illwei had an opportunistic vote on Ash C1 and a willingness to vote Lotus C2 that conveniently got distracted by a desire to vote for me once the Lotus train solidified as the likely mix. 19 hours ago, Illwei said: Steels vote is opportunistic, but that doesn't change the fact that archer looked like he was trying to make Szeth and him look partnered from their interactions before because I was trying trying to push it This post shouts e-e with Steel, so on the off chance that switching to that vote makes this thread less stagnant or convinces a v!Mat to move, I'll change my vote to there. Both their votes have been bandwagony, and I'm convinced the elim team shot TUA and Steel missed clocking Szeth's death, and blundered by thinking they were still alive when the thread read they said they did would have indicated otherwise. Illwei Steel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Posted December 27, 2021 Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 @Archer What’s your theory on the elim team? I’m planning a reread first thing tomorrow morning and am curious to know that view beforehand. 1 hour ago, Archer said: I'd rather hoped it would tell me whether I'm being hammered by two elims or three This line (I think) is you implying I’m evil, which you obviously will never sell me on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teia Posted December 27, 2021 Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 I have no clue who to vote for this round. I almost feel like Archer is trying a little too hard to be seen as crew. Anyone else feel like that? 11 hours ago, Archer said: EDIT: @Walin, @Teia, which of you found the Secret piece? I assume anyone who posted would have claimed it if they had. Also, what’s up with this? How would anyone claiming this help? Wouldn’t it just prompt the crew’s elim to wipe them out? I don’t think I want to vote quite yet because I don’t have a solid enough opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--- Posted December 27, 2021 Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 18 minutes ago, Teia said: I almost feel like Archer is trying a little too hard to be seen as crew. yes, and he does this as an elim a lot imo. calling the town his "team" and whatnot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer Posted December 27, 2021 Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 5 hours ago, Teia said: I have no clue who to vote for this round. I almost feel like Archer is trying a little too hard to be seen as crew. Anyone else feel like that? Also, what’s up with this? How would anyone claiming this help? Wouldn’t it just prompt the crew’s elim to wipe them out? I don’t think I want to vote quite yet because I don’t have a solid enough opinion. To be fair, the way I was going, had the round ended at the usual time, I would have been killed. At least this worked to get your attention. :D. There's probably not any Alliance left, ya. They had a coinshot, and the Reavers have growth potential. So the night kill is almost definitely going to kill a Crew member anyway. Secrecy isn't fooling the elims. Whereas telling us publicly reduces the risk that we mis-exe you, and allows for better coordination since we know someone who can be trusted. It's kind of a moot point now, but that was the theory. 9 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said: @Archer What’s your theory on the elim team? I’m planning a reread first thing tomorrow morning and am curious to know that view beforehand. This line (I think) is you implying I’m evil, which you obviously will never sell me on. I'll tell you it's just Illwei-Steel+/-someone who got converted C1. But you-Illwei-Steel makes a lot of sense to me, based on the votes of today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Posted December 27, 2021 Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 Quote Ok, time to lay my cards fully down on the table. Archer PMed me under the impression I was an Alliance member. I’m not. He, however, claimed he was also Alliance, so I claimed Alliance too to see what would happen. After some back-and-forth, I convinced him of my claim, and he told me he was actually a Reaver, and wanted to form an Alliance with the Alliance and go for a joint win . My vote on you was to further convince him I was Alliance and could be trusted. I was hoping to get more information out of him, but I can’t do that if I’m dead. If I get exed, you will see that I’m Crew, so you know you can trust the following information: Mat, Dannnex, Illwei, Ash, and TUA are not Reavers. They could be Alliance or the Operative, but they are not Reavers. Thank you for your time. That’s from Szeth, D1. It still could be completely accurate. I’m at Archer/Teia right now but I’m absolutely not discounting a team with Illwei or Steel. Walin it’s just impossible to know and I think Devo is the Operative if anything other than Crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elandera Posted December 27, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 One hour! Get your votes and actions in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teia Posted December 27, 2021 Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 For pure lack of better reasoning for anyone else, I’ll vote Archer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted December 27, 2021 Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 Well it looks like Archer's not on a three person elim team except with Walin. He could definitely be on a two person team, which is the number I assume the elims started at. They could have gotten conversions if Lotus/TUA killed more people than we know about, but even so statistically there's a 56.25% base chance of no conversion so I'm willing to take a shot on Archer. If there are three elims we don't have much of a chance anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elandera Posted December 27, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 That's the turn. I'm in a meeting, so it'll be a bit before the next turn is posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elandera Posted December 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) Cycle Four: We Have Done the Impossible, and That Makes Us Mighty write up eventually, probably Archer has been executed, but survived! Matrim's Dice has been attacked, but survived! Vote Count: Archer (5) - Illwei, Matrim, Devotary, Teia, Steeldancer Steeldancer (1) - Archer No additional pieces have been revealed. One piece of the Secret of Miranda has been revealed so far. Player List: Spoiler @Illwei Ashbringer Alliance Companion @Matrim's Dice Lotus Crew Mercenary Szeth_Pancakes Crew Doctor @Devotary of Spontaneity The Unknown Aon Alliance Mercenary @Walin Dannnnnnnex Crew Companion @Teia @Steeldancer @Archer This turn will end Wednesday, December 29 at 12 p.m. (noon) PST. Edited December 28, 2021 by Elandera 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Posted December 28, 2021 Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) … Ok Edit: @Archer, why didn’t you mention you would survive? (I ask this only because routine needs it to be asked) Edited December 28, 2021 by Matrim's Dice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--- Posted December 28, 2021 Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 Matrim is the last of the three people who were on Archer D1, all of them were killed lol Archer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Posted December 28, 2021 Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) Oh also Teia is essentially confirmed Reaver because I Shepherd’d them. Elan says that a Shepherd would show as an attack/survive. 1 minute ago, Illwei said: Matrim is the last of the three people who were on Archer D1, all of them were killed lol Archer Tbh I forgot that I had voted Archer D1 Edit: @Elandera Teia Edited December 28, 2021 by Matrim's Dice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--- Posted December 28, 2021 Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 @Elandera Would a shepherd roleblock show as an attacked but survived? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Posted December 28, 2021 Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Illwei said: @Elandera Would a shepherd roleblock show as an attacked but survived? 11 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: Elan says that a Shepherd would show as an attack/survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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