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  1. So we learn that the Heirocracy was an out of control, corrupt preisthood opressing the people and the Sun Maker cast down the arrogant Heirocracy and freed the people of Vorin Roshar from the twisted Dogma of the Vorin Church. Here is the entire entry in the Coppermind for the War of Loss; Who was the Vorin Church before the War of Loss? Who won the war? Who told this version of the story? Cui bono? I think the post Recreance Vorin church emerged from the servants, priests, and remnants of the Radiants. I think they stepped into the leadership gap left by the Recreance of the Radiants. Who steps in when the most powerful class in a society, a class that functions as the priests, leaders, generals, scholars, artists, champoins, judges, and heroes of the society, a class that is bound by supernatural oaths to act honorably stops functioning. Someone needs to step in. And the most logical choice initially would be the people closest to the Radiants. I also think that once those people gained power they would try to keep it and therefore try to associate themselves with the Radiants of old while distance themselves from the Recreant Radiants, they would try to hide information. When the Roman empire collapsed in the west the highest power left was the Roman Catholic Church and the church became the power in western Europe. Just like the Nobility of Europe chaffed under the Roman church, I think the nobility of Eastern Roshar didn't like being underneath the Vorin Church. Side note: I don't think being Lighteyed means anything except that the Radiants had Light Eyes and were maybe called Light Eyes and I think the Nobility became those who had lighter eyes through a misunderstanding and because they associated themselves with the Radiants and shardbearers all having lighter eyes, but not Light eyes like the Radiants. I think that the War of Loss was a Civil war between the first estate, the clergy of the Vorin Church who were in charge, and the second estate, the Nobility. I think the Sunmaker was an Alethi Prince who subjugated, allied with, and persauded the other Alethi Nobility to help him overthrow the Priests to elevate the Nobility over the priests. I don't think it was a high minded war for freedom of thought, I think it was a petty war to see who got to be in charge. And in a move that imitated the enslavement of the Listeners after the last Desolation, the Nobility enslaved the priests and used them to tell their version of history where the church was lying and hiding things from the people (although this may be partially true). It was just a power struggle between the Nobility and the Priesthood. Not that the Priesthood would have been any better than the lighteyes. Kaladin, Sigzil, and Moash's discussions on what would happen if the darkeyes overthrew the lighteyes, the Babatharnum and their eldest rule society illustrate this. I just want to point out that the war probably wasn't what the lighteyes say it was and that we should look at who is telling history and why they would tell it how they tell it.
  2. Apologies if this has been addressed, but I couldn't find anything with search. Sorry on the slight WOR spoilers. I'm not too familiar with the spoiler policies, so if this should be elsewhere, sorry for the extra work MODs. The prohibition against predicting the future is bugging me quite a bit, and I think offers a little insight into the Recreance. Admittedly this is mostly supposition. IIRC, in WOK we are told that prescience is a gift of the voidbringers. Words of Radiance slight spoilers: If you look into the future of Roshar after the Final Desolation, you would presumably see another desolation coming. You know that this is impossible, the Heralds themselves have confirmed that the Final Desolation has occurred, and you know that in the past you were able to actually see the future. There are two conclusions that can be drawn from this. One is that your vision of the future is wrong. If your vision is wrong, something must have happened to change it, and because what you now see is heretical to the heralds, and pro voidbringer, it follows that the enemies of mankind have screwed up our ability to see the future. The second is that the heralds have in fact lied about the Final Desolation truly being the FINAL desolation. If enough KR came to that conclusion, that the highest archetypes of human virtue and divinity have lied about such an important event (out of base cowardice no less), I can imagine a pretty harsh reaction from an order of knights based on Oaths. I can even see this causing the KR to dissolve. I buy this as the cause of the Recreance more than the other explanations that I've seen. As a side note, if I were a Herald, and wanted to hide the same of my violation of the Oathpact, I would need to eliminate the chance of anyone looking into the future and seeing that I was lying. Thoughts?