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So I have developed a small theory to explain a small peculiarity in Stormlight. First however we must explain what I am discussing is. For those unaware during WoR part 2 in chapter 74 pg 326 UK edition the Stormfather calls Kaladin "Child of Tanavast" rather than his usual "Child of Honour". This could at first be interpreted as a typo or continuity error but we also have this accompanying WoB: So we do know there is some significance to this phrase. Here I'm going to propose a small theory as to why that is. Now I don't think there truly is a deep significance to the phrase, I think rather it's a small detail which just informs us of the Stormfathers personality and view of the world more than anything. Most important to this theory though is the Nahel Bond which joins you together at the soul. See I think this messes up with the Stormfathers perception of Kaladin and Syl and as a consequence how we read the conversation. I don't think he's actually calling Kaladin "Child of Tanavast" but Syl that. Due to this bond though he is talking to them both at the same time and as such it looks like he called Kaladin that. Before I get into that though we must cover something else. Tanavast and Honour are two separate things. Tanavast was the holder and Honour the Shard. This is highly important to understanding what's happening here. There is a distinction to be made here and I think it's one the Stormfather is making. Tanavast created Spren himself but after his death Spren are made by other Spren. When the Stormfather says Child of Tanavast I belief he is saying someone who Tanavast himself helped create while Child of Honour is someone made from the Shard but without any guiding hand. Now some my guess that I will say Syl is a Child of Tanavast and see the obvious flaw. Tanavast didn't make Syl the Stormfather did. However I think the term still applies because Tanavast was still alive then. From the Stormfathers perspective he still helped create those Spren. Tanavast was still alive when the Recreance happened. He was still alive when Syl was made meaning he helped guide her creation. Syl is a child of Tanavast. Now from the Stormfathers perspective I think he is both talking to Syl and Kaladin. We get the scene from Kaladins point of view though and as such it all seems like he is speaking to him. Let's just have a look at what he says to each of them under this theory: Under this reading I think it makes sense he's actually talking to Syl. What he's actually saying also makes sense in this context. Not only that but it does seem like a distinction the Stormfather would make. He seems generally upset with humanity after Tanavast's death and making a distinction between Children of Tanavast and Honour is the same in principle but merely extended to Spren this time. This is the only instance of him using Child of Tanavast. So all in all I think based on our current evidence this is the most likely meaning behind the phrase.

In the beginning of TWoK Syl dances "to some unheard rythm". Could this be one of the rythms that the singers attune to, the sound of Roshar?

Was Syl the only honorspren alive after the Recriance? If so, the new ones were created before or after Honor death?

So I've been wondering about Syl's status as Ancient Daughter. According to the book, she's one of only "a handful" of honorspren created by the Stormfather pre-Shattering (that's Honor's shattering, not Adonalsium's), which makes her a sort of lighteyes among the honorspren. She's the only one of those who escaped the Recreance, making her situation downright unique. A fair bit of importance is put on her status. Which leaves me to wonder: why? But the status by itself seems unnecessary from a pure plot perspective. It's a reason for the honorspren to want to lock her up; but if that were the only purpose, just disobeying the Stormfather should be enough for that. Brandon Sanderson is too good a writer, I think, to add such detail needlessly. It's possible that it's just a bit of random flavor/background to flesh Syl out a bit more, but 1) honestly, does she really need more characterization? With or without her background, she's got a pretty identifiable and well-defined character already. It's not like being the honorspren version of royalty is adding anything by itself. There's already plenty of royalty in SA. Also, 2) when was the last time that a character's backstory didn't end up mattering in a Sanderson book? Space in Stormlight books is at a premium. I can't quite imagine he'd go through such effort if Syl's status weren't going to be plot-critical sometime in the future. But burned if I can figure out how. The obvious answer, that Syl and Kaladin's bond is somehow different as a result of her status, but we have a WoB rejecting that idea. The only ideas I've been able to come up with are the following: 1) Syl will interact more with honorspren in the future, where her status will affect their interactions. The counterpoint to this is that, well, we haven't seen much of it so far. In the physical realm, Syl is given the cold shoulder by the other spren because she disobeyed; in the cognitive, she's captured and stuffed in a hold. There isn't really any indication that she's being treated differently than any other truant would be, for better or for worse. And it seems somewhat unlikely that Kaladin and Syl will be traipsing back through Shadesmar a second time. 2) Being created directly by the Stormfather, presumably Syl has more Connection to him than other honorspren would. I could see this mattering in the future, in theory, but it's not quite clear to me how. The only time we've seen Connection mattering that I can recall is when picking up a Shard or fast-learning a language, and neither quite seem to apply unless the Stormfather's going to lose his consciousness while his power remains intact, which seems rather unlikely. Granted, however, I'm not that much of a Cosmere scholar compared to some on these boards, so there could easily be something I'm missing here. 3) Perhaps the honorspren the Stormfather made post-Recreance are fundamentally different than those from before. The Stormfather-Tanavast amalgamation might have been more paranoid/more controlling when he made honorspren marque two. It is perhaps noteworthy that only Syl was willing to defy him to go searching for a bondmate. Still, this would not matter narratively unless Syl were to defy him at some future point while the other honorspren obeyed. Since the other honorspren have started bonding now, this seems less likely. So that's where you all come in. Can anyone think of additional reasons, or of additional reasoning for or against the above ideas? Am I reading too much meaning into a bit of flavorful fluff? What do you think?

Syl kills a red voidspren that is near the prince (kings son) in the form of a dagger in Kaladin's hand. Do all Radient blades have the ability to kill spren? What happens to the spren on the other side in the cognitive realm? If anyone has any ideas or theorys on what these could be could they share their thoughts?

I don't know if this was already posted, but it was too good to resist!

I'm new here to the forums so sorry if this is something that has been brought up before but I haven't heard anyone talk about. So this insmy thought on how the spren choose people and how the nahel bond connects humans to spren. So my theory started recently in my millionth reread of WoR when Kaladin says tonSyk that he is no knight, that he is broken. Syl replies to them that all of the knights radiants are broken, much like Kaladin and shallan and even Yv from the interlides was in his youth. The next part that grew my theory was when Szeth is sitting in top on Urithiru and mentions how the town's people leave out spheres for him to use and mentions he burns through them to fast since he has" to I'm perfect a body". The last part that goes into this invloves Mistbirn Secret History and Keliser and crazy people. He can only interact with crazy people and syas that they have cracks in their spirit. So my theory is after I've already made this way to long a post is this, the Soren watch people who are " broken" or have "cracks" in their spirits, they watch them.closley because these are the people they can not only see more clearly in the coginitve real but also because it is easier for them to bond with them the same was as it's easier for Keliser to talk to crazy people. I think that this also has to do with why they can burn storm light more effectively since the nahel bond fills in the cracks in the spirit web in the cognitive real bringing making them partially begin to bind spiritually with a Soren that is made of and lives if investiture. Sorry for rambiling that out and not really getting my points across it's late here in the east coast, it's much clearer in my head. Still I would love to hear what you think, looking forward to being part of the forums.

Hey everyone, Basically, two WoB mentioned some things in the books that I couldn't find (I probably didn't search thoroughly enough), and I was hoping someone can point me to the sources... So the first one is about Timbre Brandon mentions that we have seen Timbre in an earlier book. Anyone know where? The second, which I found really interesting, was about Syl taking Shallan's shape So when did Syl take the look of Shallan standing on the beach? Anyone remember this?

So I see a lot of controversy to why Kaladin was able to heal his wound when cut by a Szeth's Shardblade, while Szeth was not able to heal himself with his excess Stormlight he had with him when Kaladin killed him. So, my question; Are Spren, Stormlight, or Shards able to look at your strengths, and automatically apply it when in need? For example, Kaladin could heal a Shardblade (an Honorblade non of the less) cut which should have torn his soul because Syl or his Stormlight could make a mental connection with his past as a Surgeon, and apply that to the power that he already had, healing his arm. And the reason why I do not believe it was due to him being a Windrunner, is because while Szeth was not a true Windrunner (getting his power from the sword) he still had the capabilities, but could not heal.

Just wondering. I mean, Syl is friendly enough (except to Pattern). This could be my imagination, but...she did she meet with Ivory or Glys already? Yeah, but I think would create an interesting dynamic. If a spren were friends with another spren, and they're Radiants didn't like each other. Or best friend Radiants have spren who refuse to talk to each other. Does the Storm father have friends? He seems too...ethereal. (And let's be honest, he's a priss.)

1. Syl - cute, reminds me of my neighbors' daughter, Kathy. Confused about her weird Honorspren-windspren persona shift thing, though. 2. Pattern - oh my God, he's adorable his first few months when he appears to Shallan (and Jasnah calls him imbecilic), even better now making awkward for Shallan and Adolin. My favorite bean. 3. Ivory - I really like him for some reason, specially that weird speech pattern he's got going. He's like there posh British man of spren. 4. Glys - he's...shy? Nonexistent? Hates the cold and hides in Renarin's shirt to keep warm, while consequentially keeping himself from view? Honestly don't know anything about him, but I am obliged to love him because he's a spren. 5. Wyndle - dry like wine. 6. Stormfather - let's be honest. He's a priss. P.S. Syl is my favorite. What are your thoughts on the spren?

So I've been re-reading parts of WoK, and got to the chapter Wandersail where Hoid tells Kaladin the story about the island. When he finishes talking and leaves Syl starts talking to Kaladin about his ability to draw Stormlight (because Kaladin thought he was cursed to watch everyone die while he lived) and she says this: What exactly is she taking from Kaladin? I have searched the copper mind about Nahel Bonds and the WoB database and don't see this discussed. Is she taking his ability to choose? Now as a Radiant he must protect? That's the only thing I can think of. But this seems like it could have major implications in the future when the Desolations continue past Oathbringer and more Unmade/Fused join the fight.