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  1. ***Spoilers for the Mistborn series, Words of Radiance, Wax and Wayne series, and Mistborn: Secret History.*** So my friend and I (who host a nerd podcast and talk about Branderson's work about once a month) have talked for a while about this theory: Kelsier is the missing shard. He is the shard Survival/ Immortatlity/ Endlessness or whatever Sanderson is going to call that aspect of god. When Adonalsium was shattered, Survival tore memories of him from the other shards AND FROM HIMSELF, then he hid himself on another invested planet to hide his powers should they manifest. He chose to hide with Preservation and Ruin because he knew they would be in conflict, and that would help hide him. Kelsier's survival is too continual. Life on the streets. Fighting the inquisitor. Literal DEATH at The Lord Ruler's hands (pun pun pun). The Well of Ascension. His final appearance at the end of The Bands of Mourning. PLUS: "There's always another secret." I mean COME ON. Sanderson loves to use the narration trope of "The Unreliable Narrator" (see Writing Excuses episode 13.45) or just look at EVERY TIME HE USED A CHARACTERS THOUGHTS OR WORDS TO CONVINCE YOU OF AN UNTRUTH. MY favorite example is Shallan Davar thinking [paraphrase] "They must have dragged Jasnah's body up onto the deck." I think most of us bought that as truth and were shocked when Jasnah appeared at the end of the book. Anyway, what do you think? is Survival/ immortality a shard? is that shard kelsier? is that Brandon's deepest secret? HIT ME WITH YOU FACTS AND THEORIES.
  2. I hope it's okay to make a thread like this, but I really really need a little bit of support right now. I'm reading OB for the first time right now and have reached a point where I don't know how to continue my life. (That's more serious than it sounds, I have to work now and won't be able to continue reading for about 13 hours. I don't know how I'm supposed to concentrate on work right now.) I'm talking about Elhokar, of course. I mean. He was about to speak The Words! He was starting to GLOW! Oh why must this happen? And why has Kaladin have to be there? He did not deserve this. This whole scene was so, so utterly unfair. I cried more than during any other scene throughout all books. He had such a good run during the book so far! It's not that I was utterly surprised about this. I mean. Of course things can't be good for Kaladin. Not for more than two days in a row, it seems. Nobody deserved this to happen. Please. What am I supposed to do? ;______;
  3. Just finished, a good read with plenty of juicy tidbits but I was a little disappointed with the ending to be honest. Anyone else care to share their thoughts?
  4. So I know there's another thread similar to this, but it's in a section that is supposed to have no spoilers. Moving some of my old ones here, so that I can spoil to my heart's content. Anyone else is welcome to join me. For a first one: To the tune of "We Are the Crystal Gems" by Rebecca Sugar <Kaladin> If you're voidspren and you're on the rise You can count on the four of us taking you down Because we've got spren and we've got Stormlight powers We'll kick your butt and then go out for chouta We are knights radiant And we'll probably save the day And if you think we can't We'll machina a way That's why the people of Roshar Believe in Kholin Kaladin and Szeth and Shallan! <Dalinar> If you could only know The disasters I've seen When the highstorms come And sweep me into dreams You'd be amazed to see Honor's Radiance and worth And I will unite mankind And I will unite this earth And I will unite this earth I will unite them! <Shallan> I will fight for a chance to be me And live together with my family <Dalinar> I will fight in the name of Roshar And everyone that I believe in <Szeth> I will fight in the name of Kholin The most honorable man I've ever known <Kaladin> I will fight to be everything Tien wanted me to become in Hearthstone <All> The odds are against but we aren't going to do it alone! We are knights radiant And we'll probably save the day And if you think we can't We'll machina a way That's why the people of Roshar Believe Kholin Kaladin and Szeth and Shallan!
  5. My question: How did the desolations end? We know that they happened again and again whenever the heralds cracked under torture, allowing the returned to flow back to Roshar. But how did they get the genie back into the bottle? Here are my thoughts on possible ways they ended: 1. The desolation ended whenever one of the heralds died. Jasnah seems to believe this theory, since she proposed that they should seek out the heralds and bump them off to prevent/end the desolation. However, if this is the case, why didn't the heralds just kill each other or commit suicide, rather than subject the very people they swore to protect with the oathpact to genocide? Also, if the heralds dying ended a desolation, then the returned would have no desire to kill them. Odiums forces might try to just incapacitate and not kill them, but I image that would have been difficult, given their honor blades. 2. The desolations ended when all of the returned had been destroyed before they could inhabit another singer body. This could explain why the only desolation we have a lot of details about (the most recent one where the heralds abandoned the oathpact) ended with a huge battle. Fight to kill all of the returned and then the heralds would go back to prevent them from showing up again. However, if this is the case, why wouldn't odium just tell one returned to go hide in some cave somewhere and avoid detection? 3. There was a time limit to the desolations. Perhaps Odium and his forces had a specific time period in which they had to accomplish some kind of goal before they were forced back. That would explain why they might end with a huge battle, if they would be trying to push to accomplish their goals. But then we know that one desolation lasted 11 years, so unless they time constraint changes every desolation, I doubt they would have made that distinction about 11 years if there was a time constraint. Does anyone have any idea about how these came to an end, or know of a WoB about them?
  6. Well, hello. I am Tesh, the, erm, founder? of the Knights of the Cosmere. The Knights of the Cosmere is a decent sized role playing group, though most of our members are inactive. We have a role play on a PM, so if you'd like to join, I'll tell you how to go about doing that in a minute. This thread will basically just be for updates, general conversation among members, and ones who would like to join, and a catalog of sorts to keep track of all the members. And @Sami is my sort of informal secretary, and @King Cole the GM. To join: Members: Rules: I will add the character profiles eventually. If you are one of the ones who would like to know when we open up again, just comment with a request for updates, and I'll send them. We currently aren't accepting new members. We are changing our system slightly, so if you would like to join, just follow this page, and I will post on here when we are recruiting again, and I will explain our new method.
  7. So, what are your predictions for Voidbinding, if any? Powers, spren involved, anything? Do we even have any leads?
  8. I'm doing a re read of oathbringer. In the scene where renarin and adolin meet at the horse stables, Renarin tells adolin he wants to give away his dead shardblade. In the scene Adolin touches Renarin's hand and Adolins broken wrist is healed. While Adolin is being healed he says he sees the man he could be, a complete man. Is he just seeing himself healed and then being healed or is renarin giving him a glimpse into a possible future for Adolin?
  9. I've just finished a re-read of Stormlight, Mistborn (Secret History, Era 2), and Arcanum Unbounded and stumbled across a few insights that may be novel. While cursing Kaladin refers to Taln in either WoK or WoR as the "bearer of all agonies". I was wondering if Taln was known by this moniker before or after Aharietiam, and whether this has been discussed in a WoB. If the latter is true, this means that the Heralds breaking of the Oathpact, in some form, has become distilled in Rosharan culture and vernacular. What if the Vorin Church opposes Dalinar's preaching of Honor's death for reasons other than heresy. Could the upper hierarchy of the church in-fact be aware of the Herald's betrayal, and their rejection of a Dalinar a fear that the spread of this knowledge could further diminish their historically diminished power base? In one of the Stormlight Epigraphs it refers to Urithiru as being placed westward "in the place nearest to Honor". We know that Urithiru's location differs drastically on a variety of in-world maps, and that it is located above the Highstorm. Could Urithiru be located near the Origin and or were Honors vessel resided at one point in the physical realm? The Diagram speaks of "making to use a truthless" and "crafting a weapon". I posit this did not mean employing Szeth's services post Gavliars Assassination, but rather Taravangian had a direct role in orchestrating Szeth and his becoming a Truthless. This could be one reason why Mr T is proficient in the Shin language, which is noted by Szeth as being an oddity outside of Shinovar. This theory falls apart depending on when Mr T first visited the Nightwatcher, and I do recall this taking place after Gavilar's assassination. As far as I understand spren (on Roshar) are the personification of forces manifest. Syll mentions that some of the ancient spren had four-genders, two not having being imaged by humans. We also know that before humans migrated to Roshar spren had a bond of sorts (pre-nahel) with the Dawnsigners. Does this mean that these extra two genders arose by the Dawnsingers personification of Spren, and were subsequently lost following the collective loss of the Dawnsingers identity post-recreance? Why can Sja-anat corrupt greater or "true spren" (as per the Stormfathers distinction between the classification of spren) when it was said that she could only corrupt, as per the epigraph, lesser spren? Is this related to the weakening of the Oathpact? For example, in one of the Truthwatcher memory gems a radiant of that order mentions that they have seen the future; this is likely dated near the end of the Knights Radiat as a military organisation. Are the "vines" Nightblood induces on its host when consuming that hosts investiture reminiscent of the way Cultivation and her "vines" interacted with Dalinar in their dialogue. Afair Nightblood was based upon Honorblades/Proto-Shardblades as per a WoB. In Secret History, Leras gives Kelsier a vision where he sees an "image of an unfamiliar man sitting on a burning throne looking towards Luthadel with a twisted smile on his lips" (paraphrased). Is this Ruin, or could this be an early depiction of Trell granted by Fortune? Note that the evidence leads towards the latter because by this point Kelsier is intimately aware of Ruin and the appearance of his vessel. In the Mistborn Era 2 Ars Arcanum on compounding, Khriss notes how the combination of powers on Roshar causes a unique chemical reaction. Does this refer to how orders of Radiants had access to two Surges, or Renarin's binding of a corrupted Truthwatcher spren presumably granting him access to the Surgebinding version of Regrowth and the Voidbinding version of Illumination. Apologies for the long-winded post.
  10. I firmly believe that this film is one of the world's biggest phenomenons we have ever seen. Every post for spoilers should be posted here. If I see even hints of spoilers for the movie elsewhere, I will look for you, I will find you, and then....I will kill you. Here's the trailer!
  11. So, reading Oathbringer, I was thinking about Odium. I know he wants to kill everyone and leave Braize, but I feel like he is searching for something. Something that will help him win. The places it won't be, if it exists at all: 1. Kharbranth, otherwise Odium wouldn't have let Taravangian keep it. 2. Iri/Rira, he has already won these folks over. 3. Alethkar, he has won here already. Places it might be: 1. Azir 2. Jah Keved 3. Thaylenah 4. Aimiah 5. Natanatan 6. Shinovar Neutrals: 1. Marabethia, Tashikk, Reshi, Herdaz, Unkalaki Peaks, anywhere else not yet specified. What it might be: 1. Honorblades 2. Heralds 3. Spheres like the one Gavilar gave Szeth at the end of WoK Prologue 4. Shardplate and Blade 5. Radiants 6. Cultivation and Nightwatcher 7. Pieces of Honor and maybe Stormfather I'm almost certain Odium is looking for something, something that will let him escape Braize. Speculation: Perhaps there was an Oathpact made by Honor himself that would contain Odium on Braize. Perhaps a piece of Honor needs to "break" as the Heralds did to free Odium. That, or he needs to kill all the Heralds, obtain all the Honorblades.
  12. SPOILER WARNING My favorite two happen to be in the same book. Lord of Chaos. 1. When Nynaeve heals Siuan and Leane. It gets me choked up every time when Siuan breaks down. 2. Battle of Dumais Wells. The entire battle is spectacular but that one line. "Kneel and swear to the Dragon Reborn... Or you will be knelt" ooooo it gives me chills. SO satisfying after Rands capture.
  13. core of the earth

    Re-reading Alcatraz, on book 3, noticed this: "I blushed. It now seemed silly. 'I figured... well I thought if I could break Gravity, then I could fly.' Grandpa Smedry chuckled quietly. 'Break Gravity, eh? Very bold of you... a very Smedry-like attempt, but a bit beyond even the scope of your power, I'd say. Imagine the Chaos if Gravity stopped working all over the world!' I don't have to imagine it. I've lived it. But we'll get to that. Eventually." Welp. Spoilers (Books 5 and 6) And in book 2, we learn that the worldspire reaches all the way down to the center of the earth, which is made of glass. Hypothetically, what would happen if someone or something were to break the core of the Earth? how would that affect gravity? EDIT: Also from book 2: they regard me as their savior, but I only fixed what I broke in the first place. (loosely paraphrased)
  14. I've seen quite a lot of good art from Oathbringer, but as I've been going through the book again there's a particular scene that I wish someone would draw. If anyone has seen it, please let me know where. I'd love to see it and thank the artist. It's times like this I wish I'd spent more time learning art. Also, are there any scenes you'd like to see? (I apologise if I misspelled any words. I listen to the audiobooks, which means I don't always know the spelling of places/people.)
  15. This was too much fun to draw. Part of a drawing challenge on my Tumblr. Hopefully more to come soon! "Storming woman."

    © Art belongs to Natalie Rodgers. All characters belong to Brandon Sanderson. This is merely my interpretation and is therefore unofficial.

  16. Hi guys! Just wanted to put a shameless shout-out for my newest original song inspired by the Cosmere! After a long time of working out melody and lyrics (lyrics took an especially long time) I've hammered out a Elantris song! Elantris tends to get a little overshadowed by Brandon's later books, so we don't seen as much fan art, stories or music (is there any??) inspired by this book. But, I love it!!! And if there's anywhere it will get a good reception I figured it would be here...in this particular forum, because you're all AWESOME! Ever since reading "Elantris" last year I've wanted to create some kind of music to emulate the love story between Raoden and Sarene. There are so many ways to take an interpretation! I decided to create a song that reflects the quieter, inner longing and loneliness that Sarene experiences in the beginning of the story. I was careful not to explicitly state that she was "in love", and I also tried to avoid sounding too forlorn and weak - since Sarene is neither of these things. Instead, I looked to those moments in the book where Sarene finds herself thinking of what could have been and I did my best to embody that in song. Beautiful artwork by @esamitch as always!! :-D I hope you enjoy it!!
  17. So at the end of BoM Wax taps the coppermind given to him, and he sees a memory of Kelsier telling the Southern Scadrians to "survive". It was a big reveal where we see Kelsier is back, and he somehow has a physical form again. Not only that but since Wax saw a scarred arm in the memory, it looks like he has a body similar to/or identical to his old one. Which seems a bit weird, since his body has long since decomposed and the most that could be left of it are the bones if TenSoon kept them. Either way, it's unlikely (at least in my opinion) that hemalurgy could be used on his skeleton to give him a physical anchor. My theory is that Kelsier used Hemalurgy to steal/inhabit another person's body, by somehow spiking them with a him-spike. As for why the body looks the same as Kelsier's old one, it could potentially be an effect similar to Forging. With Forging, a person is able to rewrite their spiritual dna (I believe, I may be remembering this incorrectly), and it can often result in a physical change. So maybe the spike somehow acts as a sort of "soul-spike" Forging a person into Kelsier.
  18. Ok so its mentioned that spook rules for a century before stepping down, after the Final Ascension. Is there anything in WoB asking about how he lives so long? or are there any theories?
  19. Okay. Pretty self explanatory title. Warning you, things are going to get weird. And please do not say anything about none of my stuff down there making sence. (I can't spell). Example: When I am bored, I go into the Cosmere. I am a girl of 22 who is really tall and skinny with bright green eyes. Name of Teshani, but prefers Tesh. Red hair, freckles, yah. When I was a girl, aged 8, I ran away. I had rich ligteyed merchants as parents, and i hated my life, blah blah blah. They never found me, and Dalinar took me in, I mean, young lighteyed girl of eight, 4th dahn, obvious target. So yah. I grew up sneaking out to practice with a spear and sword with Adolin, more blahs. When I was 16 I went to the Shattered plains with everyone else. I had always been a tomboy. So, I begged Dalinar to let me fight, he said no, obviously. So the next four years were spent trying to sneak out on a plateau run and practicing. Never worked. Well, except for this one time, but that's a story for another time. But when I was 20, I finally convinced Dalinar to give me a role in the camp as long as I didn't go on any runs. Sub-squad leader. And when Sadeas betrayed Dalinar, I was in the war camp. So I lived, and when I came back one day I had a captain again. Kaladin. Well, that was a quick summary. But I left out one important thing. I am a surgebinder, a windrunner. I had learned of my abilitys shortly after arriving at the SP and I could control them fairly well. I had gotten my shardblade at about 21, and I have a spren named Ani, an honorspren. Ah-ni (Just so you all know, all windrunners have honorspren for their spren). Tesh is also a Mistborn. Yes, none of this makes any since (As most of you know, I can't spell) but it's fun to think about. And Ani is always with her (same with her shardblade) no matter where she is. But up there is here story in Roshar as that is where she grew up even though she has a life in the other places. Maybe I'll do her story in Mistborn later. So yah, I have given this a lot of thought, and am I all alone, or is there someone else who has a person in the Cosmere who they become when they are bored?
  20. This is going to be such a long, long, rambling post, with lots of spoilers. Sorry Its for my benefit though, so people can correct me where I’m wrong So I’m re-reading all the Mistborn books currently, I’m on HoA. I’m just going to outline some thoughts and ideas I have and then end with some questions. So Lord Ruler has incredible power from compounding. As I understand it, for TLR to compound, he would go chill in his hovel in Kredik Shaw. Let’s say he’s got a bowl full of beads of the metal he wants to compound, like atium. He takes his first atium bead, stores a little age in it, then swallows and burns it, flaring it and artificially pulling more anti aging power out of it. He takes out the next atium bead and stores the resulting youth in it, then burns that one and and stores it in the next bead. Ultimately, once he has multiplied the power to his satisfaction, he would store the last bead’s power in a bracer that he would then wear. This is the hypothetical way he could compound. Other than his compounding abilities, TLR is a full strength Mistborn in the same vein as Elend in HoA. However, though Elend certainly had great raw Allomantic power, he doesn’t seem to compare to TLR’s strength of Allomancy. TLR could push on Vin’s metals in her stomach and throw her around the throne room even though she had no external metals on her, and if I remember right his pushing also pushed on the trace metals in the windows and walls and shook the room. His soothing could pierce copperclouds and affected the entire city of Luthadel. So this is where things start breaking down into questions and ideas for me— Sazed says in the epigraphs of HoA that TLR had incredible allomantic strength but that most of his most spectacular feats came from compounding. So my first thought was that TLR used compounding to somehow increase his allomantic strength. I’m going to go off on a tangent about nicrosil, because I think this is the only way one could increase Allomancy power with feruchemy, however I’m pretty sure the TLR didn’t know about or have access to nicrosil. Nicrosil minds can store investiture, so if a Fullborn were to burn steel for example, they could store steel in a nicrosil mind similar to how tinminds hold one sense at a time (I’m pretty sure this is how nicrosil minds work lol). Through compounding, you could massively increase the amount of Investiture being used for steel’s effect of pushing metals, like an artificial flare that isn’t gated by the amount of metal or strain on the body or even how fast you can pump out the power. This is how I think Kelsier/the Sovereign could make a person a Mistborn through the Bands of Mourning, by having unkeyed nicrosilminds that held massive amounts of the different metal’s Investiture shapes. Inquisitors can see more metal through steelsight than normal Allomancers because of their spikes giving them greater steel power. When Wax used the Bands for steel, so much steel investiture was used that he could see that metal and people and everything were all made of the same thing— Investiture. Wax is already on his way to becoming a savant of steel but I think while using the Bands he became a temporary super-savant of steel, which is what allowed him to perfectly modulate how hard he pushed to fly above the ground rather than jump repeatedly. A smaller example of this would be Zane. With a steel spike, Zane could float down on a coin with concentrated effort. I know he isn’t technically a savant, but savantism is the same thing but on a small scale/through a different cause. It’s a side effect of pumping more power through yourself. This is supported by the fact that a persons mind is expanded when they take up the power of a shard. One final thing about nicrosil, a cool thing you could do is compound duraluminum in a nicrosil mind for the most godlike burst of power to one of your other metals. So while you could increase Allomantic strength with feruchemy, I don’t think that option was available to TLR. So, question time— Were TLR’s bracers hemalurgically charged? Ruin influenced him through the spikes, but wouldn’t they need a hemalurgic charge for him to do this? Or can ruin influence anyone that has piercings of any kind? I know he can influence people with mental illness, so maybe Rashek was just loose in the head. Also, this brings up the question of, are Pathian earings hemalurgically charged? I would assume they are because Wax used it for Harmony to regain control of Paalm in Dhadows of Self. If they are, then who are they killing to give earrings to everyone in the church???? If TLR wasn’t hemalurgically enhanced, then was his greater strength a result of him usIng the power at the Well? Vin didn’t become a stronger Allomancer because of the Well, but she didn’t Ascend when she went because she gave it up before anything could be done with it. So TLR could have been spiritually stretched by Ascending and thus have even greater capacity for lerasium to fill when he burned a bead of it to become a Mistborn. aight ramble over
  21. Hey all, Long time lurker, first time (I think?) poster! Was discussing Oathbringer today at lunch with a friend who is reading SA - I didn't spoil Oathbringer for him, I swear! - and I came to a realization. We know that Kaladin's realization which lead him to the Third Ideal was that "The King was Dalinar's Tien"... meaning Elhokar. But I thought of another interpretation for that... and my apologies if someone has already pointed this out... Tien's death seems to be the point that broke Kaladin enough to start him on the path to Radianthood. I would be willing to argue that Gavilar's death was the same for Dalinar... so while, in the present, Elhokar is Dalinar's Tien, what started Dalinar on the steps to Radianthood was actually Gavilar's death... making BOTH kings Dalinar's Tien. Dalinar was already interacting with a spren in The Way of Kings when he started getting the visions... and Syl commented to Kal in OB that she had vague memories of someone associated with Kal who had to be Tien, meaning she was vaguely aware of Kal before Tien's death... but while Kal was good with a spear before Tien's death, it was only after Tien's death that strange things started happening around him. I just wanted to get this thought down. I may come back and clean it up, but I would be happy to hear opinions!
  22. I know I am new here, But i am viewing coppermind non-stop usually, and i haven't seen anything collective (here) about what needs to be updated. So maybe this could be a joint thread for updates needed to be done, posted by people who do not know how to do it (like myself). ~~If this proves useful i can edit all this to look more professional~~ I've only spotted one at the moment, but i haven't looked very hard at all, if i see more ill post them here. Updates needed: Worldhopper list - Needed to Include Azure https://coppermind.net/wiki/Worldhopping
  23. cosmere

    Potential spoilers for anything related to the cosmere. These are just my personal theories. I want to know your theories on this subject and any possible info I got wrong or missed.
  24. Let me just start this by saying that there may be spoilers in the following. So I was thinking about the Mistborn video game that was canceled and it got me thinking, what kinds of video games would be the best for the different Cosmere worlds. I was talking with my brother-in-law (also the one who got me hooked on BS) about this and we came up with what we think are some great ideas. Stormlight Archive: Real Time Strategy (RTS), (Starcraft, The original Warcraft, most of the Command and Conquer games.) The Stormlight Archive lends itself to the RTS format very well, with the ability to have many different teams that all play very differently: Alethkar, Parshendi/Listeners, Ghostbloods, The followers of the Diagram, and more. All of these teams would have their heroes, such as Radiants, and Fused. They would also all play very differently, creating very different strategy's and lending themselves to different peoples play styles, for example: The Parshendi could have the ability to change the "forms" of all their units giving them the ability to go from having hundreds of workers to hundreds of soldiers. There would also be the ability to have vastly different maps ranging from the Shattered Plains to the Purelakes. Each of these locations could influence the game in a verity of ways. Mistborn: Third-Person Role Playing Game (RPG), (Assassins Creed, Tomb Raider,) We considered making this an MMO, the problem with this is that there would be far too many mistborns running around. The only way to limit this would be to limit people to mistings, but we felt that would be far less interesting given the universe. So our solution, a story driven RPG. We didn't really talk much about the mechanics of the game or how the ability of the metals would manifest in the game, but we think it's the best fit. Reckoners: Massively Multiplayer Online Game (MMO), (World of Warcraft) I know this isn't Cosmere, but It is still a great idea. We were thinking about which of BS series would work the best as an MMO, the problem is that given the way most of his worlds works, there would be way too many magic users around, be they Mistborn, Radiants, or otherwise. Then we though about The Reckoners as an MMO, there wouldn't be hundreds of people with magic or superpowers. In fact the Epics would be perfect for bosses in instances and raids. I'm curious what you all think. What styles of games do you think would fit Cosmere worlds? Any thoughts on my ideas? Let discussion ensue! P.S. Alcatraz is totally an 8-bit Mario style plat-former.