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  1. I just finished listening to Emperor’s Soul, and I’m a little confused about something. Shai implies that the more ‘plausible’ and ‘correct’ a Forgery is, the longer it will tend to last before having to be restamped. But the ending of the book implies that she managed to recreate the Emperor’s soul so perfectly (other than one or two things that the book implies would have eventually happened anyway) that for all intents and purposes the term ‘forgery’ arguably doesn’t even apply. She didn’t so much create something new and ‘false’ as recreate what was already supposed to be there. Which should seem to suggest that the ‘forgery’ should have been if not permanent then at least lasted a very long time, but for some reason he has to be restamped every morning (at least for a while) or he’ll become a vegetable again. Why exactly is this the case? Why should a perfect recreation of what a person is supposed to be only last a day whereas something trivial like turning a chamber pot into an ornate vase last indefinitely? Is this just a plot hole or did I miss something?
  2. I recently finished listening to Edgedancer and I was really intrigued by the Sleepless we encounter, Arclo. Specifically his very philosophical outlook, as I tender to ponder various philosophical issues as well. I was actually surprised when he mentioned to Lift an obscure philosophical theory that I myself had actually pondered several times, or at least something very similar to it. Namely the idea that whenever someone goes unconscious, they effectively die and a new clone soul comes to inhabit their body once they regain consciousness (for the record, while I admit that I've pondered things similar to this long before reading Edgedancer, I do NOT believe that this is actually true, though it is obviously completely unfalsifiable, but I digress). What struck me is how weird it seemed for him to just randomly mention something like this as literally the first thing he says to her once he sees her again in the alley, because while admittedly it does have some tangential relevance to his own philosophy that he's been developing, it seems more like just a random philosophical factoid he mentions on a whim. So I couldn't help but wonder whether there might be something more too it than that; whether it might be intended to be some kind of foreshadowing or hint relevant to either the current situation or future books. Honestly, I have no idea whether it does or not, but as far as I can tell, there have not been any WoBs asking about it, so I was just wondering what everyone thinks. The only thing I can think of off the top of my head which it might have some kind of relevance to is the Heralds, who each time they die during a Desolation they somehow return to Braize in presumably a completely new clone body, the exact mechanics of this process still being largely a mystery from what I've been able to tell. So might it be the case that the Heralds are themselves in some sense clones as well, both in body and in soul? There is at least some tenuous precedence for people getting new souls in The Emperor's Soul, albeit in a completely difference sense than what would be happening here, so that if nothing else makes me think that this idea is at the very least worth considering. Again, I'm not at all convinced that Sanderson didn't have Arclo mention that purely to further his desired image of him as being a highly abstract and philosophical thinker, but then again, it does seem like a very weird thing to put in there for no reason other than show (though I suppose that considering his species is called the 'Sleepless', that might also explain it). So I'm curious what everyone else thinks about this. Is this simply a strange but ultimately irrelevant philosophical factoid, or do you think there may be more to it than that? I definitely think that Arclo's own philosophy will probably have at least some kind of relevance later on, if only because he tells Lift that he'll be seeing her about it again, but what about this one? Any ideas?
  3. On Discord, we recently talked about souls and Spiritwebs. Most there think these are identical terms. I’m not so sure, but the differences don’t matter. More interesting is Brandon’s concept of soul. I quote relevant WoBs in full at the end by bracketed number. Cosmere Souls Defined Brandon says, [1] “a person's Spiritual aspect [is] a mix of their connections to places, people, and times with raw investiture. The soul, you might say.” The soul is the “perfect version” of that person. Elsewhere he adds, [2] “each person is a node” between “concepts” in a Spiritweb. [3] This WoB says something similar. Here’s how I read Brandon: Each soul (a Spiritweb “node”) exists at the intersection of its Connections to its “place, people and time.” The soul’s sDNA is made from the local Shard’s Investiture. A. These four elements define a cosmere soul – what it’s made of, where it’s located in space and time, and whom it relates to. Brandon makes no moral claims for souls. Even inanimate objects have souls. B. Cosmere souls change moment by moment as Connections form, grow, wither and die. We meet new people, time goes by; we forget old friends. This is why Shai’s soul stamps are applied to the emperor daily. C. Brandon says [1] “your age is part of your Connection to places, people and times.” TLR died because his soul knew his true age. D. [4] People have Physical DNA, Spiritual DNA and Cognitive DNA. [5] sDNA is “inherited similarly, but not 100% identically, to regular DNA.” [6] On Scadrial, one identical twin might be Mistborn and the other not. [7] Atium and lerasium are “just normal matter…wrapped in the Spiritual. The Spiritual DNA…is what makes it magical.” E. Even after death, [8] “the spiritweb doesn't completely break down (just like your body doesn't immediately break down.) Even after a long time, there's a record of that spiritweb in the spiritual realm.” I think Brandon means your Spiritweb persists after you’ve physically died as long as people remember you in your place and time. These people stay Connected to you. As they die and memory of you fades and ends, information entropy fully claims your Spiritweb “record.” Allik tells Marasi how souls and Connections work (BoM Chapter 22, Kindle p. 302): Allik changes his Connection to speak the local language because “Connection can’t just be connected to nothing.” His soul still recognizes his genome and place of origin, giving him his distinctive accent. [FWIW, the main reason I believe your Spiritweb includes more than your soul is “Connection can’t just be connected to nothing.” IMO, the Connected souls themselves (your mother and your planet, for example) are part of your Spiritweb but not part of your soul.] How Does a New Type of Soul Form? I believe Spiritual Realm Investiture forms a new type of soul when a mind defines that soul. Adonalsium designed cosmere life and created the new soul form (its sDNA) for each species. I think a Shardworld’s collective mind defines the souls of its non-living objects. In TES (Day Thirty, Kindle p. 75), Shai tells Gaotona: Shai believes collective thought creates a window’s soul. Pattern echoes Shai in this conversation with Shallan (WoR, Chapter 24, Kindle pp. 308-309): IOW, Shadesmar’s collective perception defines the table’s soul. Its soul is “the truth the people create for it.” Free-floating fragments of Spiritual Realm Investiture IMO also don’t form a soul and become a splinter until some mind defines them. These fragments may become sentient by themselves; or a Shard may grant it sentience; or a Shard may imprint some ideal onto its Investiture (like Honorblades and Divine Breath); or the collective mind defines it. Pattern says “Spren are . . . power . . . shattered power. Power given thought by the perceptions of men.” (WoR, Chapter 24, Kindle pp. 309.) In ironic reversal of Adonalsium’s creation of men, men define the souls of the “little bits of god” that constitute spren. Relevant WoBs This Spoiler quotes in full each cited WoB by bracketed number.
  4. From what I understand, a Shardblade can cut straight through pretty much everything mundane in the world. But when a shardblade goes through a human, it leaves no physical damage, but severs the soul instead. When Szeth cuts off Kaladin's hand, it makes me wonder what makes that particular cut go through his physical body instead of his soul. I assume that the reasoning is that the cut removes only a small part of Kaladin's body, leaving him mostly intact. But that begs the question, where is the line? What does the severity of the wound need to be in order for the Shardblade to cut the soul instead of the flesh?
  5. I have been picturing the Spiritweb as a sort of graph where Connection is the edges and souls are the vertices. However, I don't understand how this would work with something like a tree. Would the tree itself have a soul and be Connected with, say, a bird living in it, or would the tree be represented by a subgraph where each leaf or branch has its own soul with an extremely strong Connection to other nearby souls within the same tree. This partially comes from the infamous stick scene in Words of Radiance, which demonstrates that a stick, which used to be part of a tree, has its own distinct soul.
  6. I apologize in advance if this theory has already been proposed by another. For a while, I've been confused by Hoid's statement in Words of Radiance. In chapter 67, he says: The idea of a soul being broken into pieces is reminiscent of the Shattering of Adonalsium. I've seen it suggested that this is because Hoid is Adonalsium, and can therefore be shattered. However, I've begun to consider it the other way. What if Adonalsium, and by extension its Shards, are souls?There's more to this absolutely crackpot theory than one quote and the general feeling that if I was Brandon, this is what I would do. (That is, of course, why I am not Brandon.) We have seen from Warbreaker that a piece of a shard can bonded to a human soul. This is what happens when a Returned Returns with a divine breath that is a Splinter of Endowment. Going further, we can postulate that when one takes up a Shard, what happens is that the person attaches their Spiritweb (and the controlling consciousness connected to it) to the massive Spiritweb of the shard. Thoughts?