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  1. Did the Heralds have Shardplate?
  2. In listening to the Shardplatecast episode of Shardcast, I came up with what seems like a new (or at least different) theory on the formation of Shardplate. I apologize for the superlong post. I am also not deeply versed in Realmatic theory, or the wide variety of Words of Brandon or other forum posts. I've read what I can. First I want to list out the things we know without argument about Shardplate. I'm taking from the books, the Coppermind, and Words of Brandon It can withstand a lot of damage by conventional weapons/impacts/pressure, but will eventually shatter. It can stop a Shardblade, though repeated blows will cause it to shatter. (Ergo is weaker than a Shardblade) It is originally from the Knights Radiant, and was abandoned during the Recreance. Radiants 'got' their plate by swearing the Fourth Ideal. The original Knights could summon and release the plate, or portions of the plate, at will, similar to Shardblades. Modern (dead) plate cannot be summoned or released. Modern (dead) Shardplate seems to be powered by Stormlight in the form of gems, When it runs out the plate stops functioning. Flawed gems cause the plate to shatter faster. It can be regrown by feeding the damaged pieces Stormlight. This can replace whole sections. Separated sections will 'die' as they main plate is regrown. It automatically fits itself to the wearer. It provides increased strength, dexterity and speed to the wearer, though not endurance. It is very heavy. (potentially around 1400 pounds) Higher spren don't scream/react to plate like they do when their Radiant touches a dead blade Plate is keyed to Radiant's Identity. Plate interferes with another Radiant's abilities (specifically lashing in Dalinar's visions) Theory point (I don't have a justification on this one). Dead Plate doesn't bond like dead Shardblades. Conforming to the wearer is not the same as keying to the summoner allowing it to be controlled, called, dismissed, etc. the way a blade is. Although Brandon did say it was a 'lesser bond', I argue that we aren't seeing the same strength as the blade/bearer bond. From this point, I want to lay out my theory, and explain how it touches to all the known parts above. We know that Shardblades and Plate are gained by Knights Radiant by strengthening/deepening the Nahel bond. We can see that with each 'level' the Radiant can use stormlight more effective/efficiently. From WoB we know that as the bond deepens the spren and the Radiant are melding into one individual. It follows that the bond between Radiant and spren is much stronger when the plate is formed than it was when the blade is formed. Their identity is more closely bonded. Yet the plate is weaker than the blade. My theory is that Shardplate is the manifested soul of the Radiant via their connection with their spren. They have pulled part of their spirit web into the physical realm and woven it with Stormlight to create armor. This allows for the plate to be keyed in identity to the Radiant. It follows from the idea that the spren and Radiant must be more closely bound (and that the bond weakening could take away the ability "Talk to your spren about it" in Dalinar's vision). Why did the plate stick around after they broke their oaths? It's similar to the way that hemalurgy can steal powers form an allomancer. Since the armor was part of their spirit web, when they abandoned their oaths it literally ripped a part of their identity/soul away from them. That's the reason why the Radiants in Dalinar's vision don't respond to him. "The former Shardbearer pulled his arm free and continued to walk away" and later "They walked with eyes forward, not speaking to one another, steps slow but resolute." Breaking their oaths has hurt them deeply, and has damaged them even as it killed their spren (Who are only as dead as their oaths). While the blades are the manifestations of the spren, the plate dies at the same time, and fades when the oaths are broken. I remember hearing on Shardcast that light is usually tied to the spiritual realm, so for the plate and the blades to lose their living light is to say that they have been severed from their connection to the spiritual realm. Why is the plate so heavy? Because it bears the weight of betrayal and broken oaths (metaphor made real by perception). Why is it weaker? because men's souls are weaker than ideals. Why did it stay behind after it was abandoned? As Mark Anthony remarked, the evil that men do lives on after their deaths, the good is often interred with their bones. We know that the Shardblades are spren that have manifested themselves physically in the physical realm. They must leave some aspect behind in the Cognitive Realm (deadeye spren are still present in the Cognitive Realm when their Blades are summoned, evidenced by the spren who says that the deadeyes are always wandering around, seeking their bodies). The dead spren are reminiscent of people who are killed with blades, who are referred to having their souls killed. Why would their be so much build up to the spren being blades, but not being armor? Where would be the deadeye armor? (for lack of a better term). Because stormlight comes from a connection to the investiture in the Spiritual realm, the stormlight allows for a bit of broken soul, the part of the spirit web that is the armor, to be strengthened, although it can never be completely made whole, restoring the Radiant's full being together. Stormlight does allow (similar to the heartbeats of a bearer bringing life to a deadeye to manifest) energy for the plate to remain strong. Spren wouldn't scream at the armor because it is more closely aligned with the radiant than with the dead spren. The psychic shock isn't as great. Well, that's the larger gist of it. I've been reading and typing on this for an hour and a half, so I may come back and flesh it out some more later, but at least it's a different take from the 'lesser spren' theory. It's probably unlikely, but it's a new idea.
  3. I never really thought of it before, but all the ornamentation on shardplate probably has to be remade anytime damage is taken. Obviously anything welded on (still not sure how that works entirely) would have to be recast and reattached, but any coloration would probably also need to be repainted after the plate grows back. Just something I found interesting
  4. I reading this old thread about shardblade forms when I thought about the differences between Radiantblades and dead shardblades, and then I thought about shardplate: what differences are there? Radiantplate glows? And I thought: what if Shardplate IS invincible like shardblades, but only when it's not dead?
  5. Using F-Iron and A-Pewter medallions instead of gemstones, could it be possible to create a Scadrial equivalent to shardplate? With the limited knowledge we have about Allomantic technology, the medallions and the cube, it seems theoretically possible.
  6. This recently rediscovered image is believed to be from the final days of the false desolation. This “Full Set” is perhaps the final strike team to be issued out of Urithiru before its abandonment. Consisting of one representative from each order of Surgebinders they were tasked with pursing escaping Parsh and what was at the time believed to be the last remaining Thunderclast into the broken ruins of Stormseat. Tensions between the orders were already apparently high at the time of their sending, regardless no one save the Bondsmith ever returned, and no other record of what they found or experienced exists today. (scholars note: there are several spren, plants, and cremlings scattered throughout the background and margins, one wonders what other secrets may be hiding in this sketch.)
  7. Hello everyone, its been a while since my last shardbearer. This time its a dustbringer. For this one I wanted to go for a roman gladiator vibe. The helmet is meant to resemble the crazy helmets worn by roman murmillo gladiators. I tried to put in some subtle flame designs in as well since I thought that fit the powers and personality of the dustbringers.
  8. So I've been thinking about the glyphs that are on some Shardblades and not others. Examination of Shallan's sketch in WoR shows clearly that Sunraiser has ten glyphs along its length, while Firestorm does not. Now possibly Sunraiser is somehow unique in this regard, but this seems unlikely. If Sunraiser were the only Shardblade to have glyphs along its edge, I should think it would have been called out explicitly as being special or noteworthy in this regard. There are ten glyphs along one edge of the Blade. There are presumably ten more on the other. Twenty glyphs total. As near as I can tell, a set of Shardplate looks like this: This description is taken from chapter 26 of TWoK, when Dalinar puts on his Shardplate. The reader should note that there are exactly twenty pieces of armor mentioned. (At least, there are exactly twenty pieces of armor mentioned if the phrase "culet and faulds" is taken to be two pieces of armor, not three. If the culet and faulds are three distinct pieces, then there are 21 pieces and the theory does not hold so well.) So we have twenty glyphs on some Blades, and twenty pieces of armor that make up Shardplate. I do not think this is a coincidence. Being a fan of the lesser-spren-as-Plate theory, I am reminded of the two ardents in TWoK, who are able to trap spren into certain forms by measuring and recording their size. I propose that Radiant spren do much the same, by "recording" the shape in which they wish the lesser spren to remain upon their own Blade. Since presumably not all Knights had advanced far enough to have Plate at the time of the Recreance, this would explain why not all Blades have the glyphs. It's just a theory, but twenty glyphs along a Blade and twenty pieces in a set of Plate seems like rather too much coincidence to be ignored.
  9. Created based on discussion on other thread. Does Shallan have her plate yet, and has she had it at any points in the past?
  10. Do we know how many individual pieces make up a set of Shardplate? IIRC, there are at least greaves, gauntlets, breastplate, vambraces, helm, and probably boots are separate from greaves although I'm not sure about that. Is there a list anywhere? Even if it might be incomplete?
  11. I'm curious about how the design of Shardplate is decided upon. I think the most common theory currently for the source of Shardplate is that 4th Ideal Radiants create it using the "secondary" non sentient Spren of their order. So do the Spren decide how the plate looks? Or is it up to the Radiant? It seems like the shape of the Blade comes down to the Radiant's choice, so I am inclined to think that the plate follows the same rules. Would the plate be malleable to the Radiaint's will like blades are then? I'm mostly interested in this because I was looking at the Shardplate drawings from WoR and realized that they had scale on some parts of the armor. This got me thinking about more modern forms of armor and whether a Radiant with knowledge of those things could make use of them. I was imagining a body suit that is more form fitting that plate (allowing for more dexterity/mobility) and is made of a "ballistic fiber" version of Shardplate (think kevlar made out of Investiture). Cover that with a layer of small hexagonal "coins" placed very closely together that form the actual plate part of the armor. The helmet would probably be best if it remained a solid piece above the neck with no visor. It would make for a much "sleeker" Radiant IMO and allow them to be more mobile.
  12. I think I have a theory as to how shards work. I'm sure this has been spoken about, but I don't know where. Shards, blades specifically, are solid stormlight/investiture. Spren can become shardblades, and the common theory as to shardplate is that spren form it, like by Kaladin, windspren by the hundreds surrounded him. Spren are bits of stormlight/investiture given sentience. Therefore, Shards are stormlight. They could cut, I suppose, by separating the sould of the object, but I think Brandon mentioned it in one of the the books. Shardblades can be summoned because of the sentience. It would explain why shardplate cannot be summoned and dismissed - there is no sentience. Because that's the only difference between the two. In theory, then, if one could find a way to make stormlight solid, one could make virtually indestructable objects.
  13. Is it possible to bond shardplate by attaching gems to it, like a shardblade? Would it let you manifest and dismiss it at will?
  14. The next in my series of radiant knight sharbearers. This time it is an edgedancer. For the edgedancer I wanted something sleek and sharp, while still retaining the bulk and power of the official shardplate artwork. I also wanted to incorporate some plant-life and reptilian designs as well. I am quite pleased with the end result.
  15. Branderbot 2000's newest novel features a love triangle for our sassy redheaded heroine. In this episode, she goes stepping out with a handsome prince in armour (refer to previous episode, Six Feet of Steel) who is not very smart but is pretty good at beating people up. Does she choose the mysterious shirtless bridgeman Kaladin? Or the well-heeled prince with sacks of spheres? It turns out the prince has mysteries of his own... how he poops in Shardplate.
  16. I've been thinking that Moash and Kaladin are maybe a bit like opposites; they were in a similar situation -- being in the bridge crews after tragedy befalling them or their families -- and Moash clings to revenge and he has that singular focus, while Kaladin turns away from revenge and arrives at the realization "I will protect even those I hate." (Speaking of which; isn't that such a totally mind-blowing statement?? I don't know if I could do that.) It seemed to me like they arrived at a similar crossroads and took opposite paths. Turning aside from selfish concerns to selfless ones. Thoughts?
  17. New to the community, but I just wanted to post a picture of some fan art still in progress. Hark the heralds and happy holidays to all!
  18. So now that we know what shardblades are, what is shardplate? I've got a theory from Oathbringer, but I'd like to know what y'all think. I'll put my theory in a spoilertag to be nice, although if you haven't read the three current Stormlight books, this forum is probably not a safe place for you Hopefully my genius theory isn't 17th Shard Old News. Also, while we're on shardplate, anyone have any explanations for this quote? (From FanX 2018)
  19. So, Nightblood is basically a super op sword that we have never seen defeated and according to the Nightwatcher "can never be defeated". We also know he is fairly similar to a shardblade in the way he acts, but far more powerful. So my question is, would a regular shardblade be able to block a strike from Nightblood? Would shardplate be able to block it the way it blocks regular shardblades? Would Nightblood just consume the blade and plate (i.e. consume the investiture of the shards)? Would this result in, when Nightblood strikes a shardblade, just kill the spren that acts as your blade and so stop you from being a radiant any longer? What can this thing do? Thanks in advance for your insights.
  20. I can't believe I didn't notice this earlier. Nale is a Skybreaker of the fifth Oath. If the Skybreakers get Plate as part of their Radiant progression, Nale should have a nice shiny set of living Shardplate.
  21. We saw when Dalinar bonded the Stormfather that he would not have a shard blade. I wonder whether this is the case for all Bondsmiths, and whether it applies to shardplate as well. Presumably a bondsmith could still wear shardplate without any issues. Also, I always got the impression that the Stormfather refused to be his blade out of pride, is there anything actually stopping the Stormfather from becoming his shardblade? Presumably, if Dalinar could be persuasive enough then the Stormfather may be convinced to become his blade. Feel free to correct me wherever I may be wrong. I welcome your input.
  22. I'm sure this has been postulated before in various forms but I can't find exactly where to post this crazy theory. Apologies if this is the wrong place. I'll be brief. Theory: Shardplate is grown or extruded just like parshendi armor. It, like carapace armor, is a second skin. Postulated: Existing shardplate retains its basic decorations and structure while conforming to its bearer even if not we'll documented in drawings/paintings. Fact: Shardblades not from current Knights radiant are only MOSTLY dead. Corollary 1: Shardplate is still connected to Knights radiant of the past who are only MOSTLY dead. Corollary 2: those undead Knights radiant did not slam their Shardblades into the ground abandoning them, seeing as their shardplate still works. Corollary 3: The spren/Shardblades of the undead radiants are out there somewhere in the cognitive thus accounting for the missing Shardblades. OK just wanted to log this theory somewhere.
  23. I was reading this other thread about the strength of Shardplate, then it dawned on me, the real topic here. Can Shardplate fly? Dalinar's vision showed a healing Radiant order in flight. I think focusing on strength is useful and entertaining but in the end pointless. Brandon Sanderson will make a character just as strong as the needs of his narrative. Investiture is malleable with resonances and differing Knights being near one another and when you add Investiture from other worlds, anything is possible, just not likely for the plot, but possible sure. I'm sure most of his WoBs are answered with that in mind. Possible, just not likely. What I really want, nay, need to know is if KR Shardplate can FLY! Any KR, likely with the needs of the novel and the acts of the Archive, every Knight will need to fly. I'm almost sure of it, but maybe we won't see it until most Radiants are on oath 5 and in Book 6 after the big in-world time break. I can't wait to read Lift's book when she is 23 or 24 but still believes herself 10. It will be hilarious. Can someone ask this when he is on tour? Will advanced oathed Knights Radiant have flying Shardplate? Not the Gravitation surge Windrunners use to make gravity change, well maybe so, not sure about specifics. I can just imagine it. Several squadrons of Shardplated knights in airborn combat formation, extra long Shardspears in hand battling the Fused. That will surely change established tactics with a 3 Dimensional battlefield.
  24. From the album My Stormlight Artwork

    A concept piece of what a shardplate helm might look like if a full radiant was wearing it.