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  1. So with how quickly the knights radiant heal, perfectly mending all wounds, it seems, do the radiants age? With how healing works in our normal bodies, those of us who can't absorb stormlight, do cells make perfect copies, much like wolverine does?
  2. My latest shardbearer, this time a truthwatcher riding into battle on a ryshadium. I will readily admit this was one of the hardest things I have ever drawn, horses have unusual anatomy and I have never drawn one before. I did a lot of erasing which is why parts of the image are a tad blotchy.
  3. Do we know the name of Teft's Spren?
  4. So for a while now I’ve been thinking about this subject, and the other day I had made a post in the Stormlight Facebook group addressing it, and it ended up being a pretty big hit there, with reactions ranging from people loving it, to thinking it’s interesting but likely misguided. So I wanted to lay this out here as well and get some more feedback on it. So ever since I listened to Stormlight Archive the second time, with the benefit of hindsight from my first listen-through, I began to wonder whether there might be potentially more to Lirin (Kaladin’s father) than meets the eye. But at first I couldn’t quite place what it was about him that seemed off about him to me, but recently, it hit me. I realized that literally every single one of Kaladin’s ideals thus far, including what his fourth one is most likely to be, namely accepting that you can’t save everyone and to not allow your failures to prevent you from doing what you can, are things that Lirin has explicitly tried to instil in Kaladin and also operates by himself. In short, Lirin almost seems to me to be a Windrunner without a Spren. The first ideal is really too broad to find anything specific, but the second and third are very explicit in that he dedicates his life to helping people whose lives are in danger, he very explicitly was put into a situation in which Roshone, a man he had every reason to despise and allow to die, had his life entirely in Lirin’s hands, and Lirin chose to do what he knew was the right thing and save his life, which is the third ideal of the Windrunners. And he also has told Kaladin on more than one occasion that he no matter how hard he tries, he can’t save everyone, and that he needs to come to terms with that inevitability, which is most likely at the very least related to the fourth Windrunner ideal. So again I say, Lirin seems to be very Windrunner-y in his philosophy, with the only real difference being the way in which he chooses to protect people, namely as a surgeon rather than a soldier. Now I don’t believe for a second that Brandon wrote his character this way accidentally; the parallels are just to explicit for that. But the question is: what does it mean? And could it possibly be hinting at something? Now, before I go any further, I just want to freely admit that I have very little confidence that this theory is correct, as there are many other explanations for this that are much simpler, but I still think it’s at least worth laying out. So, here’s my admittedly unlikely theory: what if Lirin is a former Windrunner? Specifically a Windrunner from the time of the Recreance? Now, like I said, I realize how unlikely this probably is, but I don’t think it’s completely out of the question. After the Recreance, I think it’s entirely possible that some of the disgraced Radiants may have chosen to go into exile and leave Roshar, maybe becoming worldhoppers. And we know that worldhoppers often gain a greatly extended lifespan by as yet unknown means. And the one piece of evidence I have for this is how thickly Lirin lays on the whole ‘violence is always bad; nothing good can ever come of it!’ spiel. The way he speaks of that, and his conviction, seems to me to bespeak some deep familiarity with war and conflict. And the Radiants at the time of the Recreance pretty much got the ultimate example of this by their unwitting lobotomization and subsequent enslavement of the Singer species. With the Windrunners probably being even more deeply disturbed than many other orders by virtue of how much their order was all about protecting people and doing the right thing; I happen to be in the camp of fans who suspect that the horror of realizing what they had done to the Singers probably caused many of them to consider their oaths broken. And if Lirin was one of them, I can easily imagine his guilt driving him to be a hard pacifist, which he clearly is, and changing his method of protecting people from the role of a soldier to the role of a healer. And the other somewhat intriguing thing is that Lirin had a very interesting reaction to seeing Kaladin use his Windrunner powers, namely to look horrified and dismayed, maybe because he knew first hand what those powers could potentially cause and was horrified that his son now possessed them? Again, clearly there are many other possible explanations for this, and I freely admit that even I think that most of them are probably much more likely than this one. But I will say one thing with conviction, and that is that regardless of whether he’s a former Windrunner or not, I do think that Brandon must have written his character like this for some reason. One doesn’t just overtly display pretty much the entire Windrunner philosophy (in stark contrast with 99.9% of the rest of Roshar) for no literary purpose. Like I said, the only question is what that literary purpose is in this case? Could Brandon be hinting at something more important here? What does everyone think?
  5. @Argent's “The Magics of Roshar” topic speculates that the Fifth Oath fully merges Knights Radiant and their spren. Further speculation suggests a Fifth Oath Radiant becomes the equivalent of a Herald with Honorblade who can pull Investiture directly from the Spiritual Realm. I generally agree with this speculation. @Jofwu on that thread asks this question: The answer may lie in what Nale tells Szeth: Nale says the Oathpact is “balanced.” I read him to mean there’s only one Herald per divine attribute. Fifth Oath Radiants could upset that balance and weaken the Oathpact. The “measures we took” seems a reference to Taln. Ishar fears Fifth Oath Radiants might somehow disable Taln’s Desolation defense. While Honor lived, he could decline to accept Radiant Fifth Oaths. The Stormfather, who replaced Honor, has yet to decline any oath. Nale kills incipient Radiants to ensure they never rival Heralds. Ishar’s threatening letter to Dalinar fits this concern. Ishar doesn’t want a rival Bondsmith wielding the “power of Connection.” Crazy is as crazy does.
  6. It’s been more than five years since I wrote about the difference between Radiants’ primary and secondary divine attributes. I concluded then that spren of an order are attracted to humans who exhibit that order’s primary attribute. I theorized the spren bond leads the Radiants to their secondary attribute but didn’t go into detail. A few days ago, in a very long post on many topics, I wrote about the impact of oaths on Radiant organization. I opined the Radiant’s Fifth Oath means they achieved their secondary attribute. That’s when they fully merge with their spren. This post puts more flesh on that conclusion. Here’s the list of each order’s primary and secondary divine attributes: Order Primary Attribute Secondary Attribute Windrunners Protecting Leading Skybreakers Just Confident Dustbringers Brave Obedient Edgedancers Loving Healing Truthwatchers Learned Giving Lightweavers Creative Honest Elsecallers Wise Careful Willshapers Resolute Builder Stonewards Dependable Resourceful Bondsmiths Pious Guiding The secondary attribute seems a more outward-looking, “uniting” version of the primary attribute. The primary attribute is about the Radiant. The secondary attribute is about how the Radiant should act toward others. It’s like the difference between first person (me) and second person (you). Windrunners better protect when they lead others. Skybreakers seem more just when they’re confident in their judgment. Dustbringer bravery (and hotheadedness) better serves when they’re obedient. Edgedancer love finds meaning in healing. Truthwatcher learning has meaning when given to share. Lightweaver creativity requires self- and artistic honesty. Elsecallers should temper their wisdom with care. (Jasnah “wisely” concluding to kill the Heralds...) Willshaper resolve makes them foundation builders. Stoneward dependability leads to resourcefulness. (Get the job done no matter what.) Bondsmith piety attracts followers to guide. This framework shows oaths bridge the gap between primary and secondary attributes. Each oath brings the Radiant closer to their secondary attribute. When they achieve it, the Radiant can say the Fifth Oath and merge Spiritual aspects with their spren.
  7. I reading this old thread about shardblade forms when I thought about the differences between Radiantblades and dead shardblades, and then I thought about shardplate: what differences are there? Radiantplate glows? And I thought: what if Shardplate IS invincible like shardblades, but only when it's not dead?
  8. Is it possible for one of the fused to bond a radiant spren and become radiant? My main difficulty in answering this question for myself is a lack of underatanding of how the fused take over the body of the singer. When replacing the singer's soul does the fused accompany the gem heart? I originally thought this to be the case as the form of the fused is different, and singer forms are changed by spren in the gemheart. If this is how it indeed works, would not a fused be able to bond a spren as a radiant might? Surely there are ample cracks in their soul for the spren to fill as the more they resurrect the more their soul deteriorates. So surely a spren who hates humanity and wants to help the opposing side could bond a fused. Or perhaps even a fused who changes sides to fight for the humans could bond a radiant spren. Either way I'd like to hear what you all think regarding the possibility of such a bond.
  9. So Brandon has outright stated that we will be seeing an new Dustbringer in Rhythm of War. I have seen surprisingly little speculation about who this will be, so I will lay out my theory. My theory is that the next Dustbringer to be introduced in the series will be Balat Davar. I will start with a few extra-narrative reasons that I believe this: Firstly, Brandon likes writing Radiants with tragic backstories and Balat comes with a pre-packaged one that can be seen through Shallan's flashbacks. Secondly, Balat has been given a surprising about of screentime including his own pov interlude, it would seem a little odd for this much time to be spent on him if he was just going to be Shallan's kinda pathetic older brother. Finally, from a timeline prospective for all of the first 3 books Balat has either been far away or in the past, RoW will be the first time when Balat is in the place where modern plot is happening and it just so happens thats when we get our Dustbringer. As for in-world reasons that Balat could become a Radiant. One is that it has been confirmed that while radiance is not hereditary being related to Radiants can bring someone to the attention of the spren. This is supported by, Tien being a proto-lightweaver, the astonishing number of Kholin Radiants, and the fact that the Davar family has already had at least 2 members start the process of bonding spren. This familial connection suggests that we should take the idea of more Davar Radiants seriously. As for why I think Balat would specifically be a Dustbringer. During Shallan's brief conversation with Pattern about Malata, he talks about how the Ashspren and their Radiants are very destructive and enjoy breaking things and tearing things open because they want to know what is inside. Balat has demonstrated similar interests (though admittedly even more destructive ones) by his interests in tearing apart animals, setting fires, and watching axehound fights. Additionally, the primary and secondary divine attributes of the Dustbringers are brave and obedient. This fits thematically with Balat's history and personality. Balat spends most of Shallan's flashbacks in a strange position as the only one of the Davar children actively resisting their father while at the same time (at his own repeated admission) not being brave enough to truly stop protect his siblings. I would love to hear any reactions or other possible theories. Note: I am not saying that Balat would have to be a successful Dustbringer or that he would necessarily be on the same side as his sister, just that I think he will be the primary Dustbringer character for the first half of the series.
  10. I’m not sure if I believe my own theory, but I wanna tell you the theory anyway. So when Dalinar summons Honor’s perpendicularity after everyone is there he counts them because he expects there to be 10. At first he counts 7 (himself, Kaladin, Shallan, Renarin, Jasnah, Lift, and Szeth), but the Stormfather points out 2 more, who he then points out are Heralds (Taln, and Ash). That puts it at 9. He wonders where the 10th is, but we know that Venli was nearby. This makes it so every Order has a representative except for the Dustbringers (Malata is gone with Teravangian), and the Lightweavers have 2 (Shallan and Ash). The thing is that while Taln and Nale both certainly still fit their corresponding Orders, Ash does not. She’s spent centuries destroying art, particularly all art referencing herself. So if she were to become a Radiant now, I don’t think she would be a Lightweaver. We don’t see much of her, but from what we’ve seen I’d say the Order she’d fit best with now would be the Dustbringers, which happens to be the one Order otherwise unrepresented at that scene. Just thought it was an interesting thought.
  11. Y'all might remember @Harakeke's thread from a while back about glyph translation. I decided I will try and translate the Radiant, Surge, and Fundamental Glyphs. Yes, I know the WoB about the original glyphs not being supposed to translate. Yes, I realize it'll probably be nonsense. Here goes. Notes: I am using an online editor called Photopea. It is free and works the same, and as well as photoshop. I know this because I have worked with photoshop. I am retrieving glyph translations from the Coppermind. Any and all assistance with this project is appreciated. Update 1: 3-19-19 Started translation on ten fundamental glyphs. Finished with 3/10. Letters in parenthesis are unconfirmed or not existing but added for understanding (Like Thaylen)
  12. Ever since I first read Shadows of Self, I've had an interesting thought. I hadn't heard the term resonance applied to mixed investitures yet, but I had this thought that won't leave me alone. I mentioned it on here a long time ago, but all of the replies basically said I was an idiot and that I was looking at it wrong. I don't think we have enough data about this yet for the idea to be fully fleshed out, but I still think that I'm on the right track. So, we know that when a person possesses two types of investiture it creates a resonance in them which allows them to do things that aren't directly related to either investiture, but together they passively give the person a new ability. We don't have all of these outlined to us. Stormlight references a few of them with radiants. For Lightweavers its their mnemonic abilities, and it's believed that the Windrunner resonance allows them 'strength of squires', which is generally believed to mean they get lots of squires while others get few. I don't think we've definitively heard what any others are, but Khriss in mistborn era 2 ars arcanum mentions them in relation to twinborn. Anyway, my theory is that while there are these passive (not directly powered by investiture) abilities that come through resonance, but I think there may be a psychological effect that comes with resonance as well. The idea stemmed from a few things in SoS. When Wax talked to his grandmother she says that it's dangerous to combine Allomancy and Feruchemy. He says it's only dangerous when they can compound, but she disagrees. She implies that it's why he kills people. He disagrees, but what she said got me thinking. We've only seen a few twinborn, but an argument could be made that they all have psychological issues. Name - Allomantic Metal - Feruchemical Metal - Possible Psychological Issues Wax - Steel - Iron - Obession with doing what's right Wayne - Bendalloy - Gold - Cleptomania Miles - Gold - Gold - Megalomania? God complex? Sociopathy? Forch - Steel - Pewter - Homicidal Mania (tortures and plans to kill a little boy. Probably did it before.) Set's twinborn on the train - Steel - Pewter - We don't see much of this guy, but he's working with the Set, and seems like he certainly enjoys killing. Could be homicidal maniac like Forch. It's possible that these issues were all pre-existing or developed as a side effect of having a different world view brought about by having more power than others, but it seems odd that every single twinborn we've seen doesn't think like a normal person. It's possible that this isn't really connected to resonance but instead to a threshold of investiture. You could make similar arguments for Vin, Kelsier, and the Lord Ruler despite the fact that you're not supposed to only get resonance with 2 types of investiture, and that the effect goes away with larger numbers. That would make sense with how vessels lose more and more control of their choices over time, and simply become manifestations of their shard's intent. For mixed investitures with mortals this effect would be less predictable and smaller in scale, but still noticeable. It's also possible that these issues being pre-existing could be why they're able to manifest two types of investiture, similar to how Syl says that all the radiants were broken. For radiants their psychological issues seem related to the ideals of their order. I could see that as a point against my original theory. It may be in line with some aspects of it though. Anyway, that's what was in my head today.
  13. So we’ve seen how various orders can have special abilities by combining their two surges usually in a way that fits with their orders ideology. What about Stonewards and Willshapers the two least represented orders. We haven’t seen much of cohesion in general but I think it opens up some really interesting possibilities when combined with other surges. Especially given these order’s attributes. Perhaps a Willshaper could use cohesion and transportation to move materials about to creat new structures like pulling metal out of ores or something. This also fits with with their builder attribute. And perhaps Stonewards could reshape stone into large structures like walls using tension and cohesion.
  14. Unmade Origins Most people probably already know this but Unmade are named after deities of the ancient near east, they also have some linguistic connections to Urdu/Hindi languages: While this might not hold any significance i believe this isn't a mere coincidence, they are ancient godspren. I find this quote particularly interesting, it depicts Unmade as related to human emotions, not people, not parshmen. This connection might suggest that Unmade share their origin with humanity - the devastated world of Ashyn. Just as Stormfather embodies Highstorm or Nightwatcher - Transformation, Unmade would personify forces which shaped the world itself - powerful emotions that defined life on Ashyn. At first, i considered each one to represent particular Vice, like Wrath or Gluttony, but there's much more to them: They are not inherently good or evil, they are both, Vices and Virtues depending on one's perception. Each Unmade embodies the whole spectrum of a particular passion, just like Nergaoul personifies will to fight, some could interpret it as desire to protect, others to conquer. Divine Attributes We all know that each Order has set of Divine Attributes linked with it, apparently, they are somehow connected to the Unmade. I assume every Radiant has innate Virtue/Vice, related to Divine Attributes. A secondary surge of each order is considered dangerous. This is something that is mentioned over and over, Jasnah warns Shallan about Transformation, Nale says roughly the same thing to Szeth about Division, etc. Obviously, it's not relevant to the nature of power itself, because adjacent order gets it as their primary surge. Philosophically virtue is an elusive concept, it demands careful and sustained reflection before it can become part of one's life. Radiants seem to share this view, giving the nature of their Oaths. Pursuing a Virtue blindly and failing to understand it, might turn it into a Vice. Perhaps danger associated with the second surge, is related to twisting an ideal into something bad, possibly exposing Radiant to an Unmade/Odium? Virtue lies in Divine Attribute linked with corresponding Order. For example, Windrunners exhibit will to Protect people and show great capabilities in Leading them. Their attitude/perception makes the concepts of Leading/Protecting easy to grasp and comes naturally to them. Vice, on the other hand, is related to Attributes of adjacent Order. Windrunners or at least Kaladin, struggle with the idea of Justice. Kal view of this ideal is distorted, he takes it personally and allows emotions to cloud his judgment, his attempt at being righteous almost killed Syl. On a side note, Jezrien translates to "the Judge" in urdu, coincidence? While Moash still shows the attitude of a Windrunner through his desire to protect Parshmen, he contorted Just into Vengeful and led him to Odium. Similarly, Szeth stumblings revolve around being blindly obedient and not brave enough to challenge his masters. He mustered the courage to defy Nale and escaped Odium grasp as opposite to the rest of Skybreakers. If my assumptions are correct there is no Unmade related to Pious/Guiding attributes. I hate to poke a hole in Talenel's immaculate image but he remained unbroken simply because there is no Unmade corresponding to his Vice, not his unbreakable will. This gives at least some semblance to Heralds idea that he could handle tortures indefinitely, i assume they would need more substantial argument than just Taln being stubborn and blessed with strong willpower. Keep in mind that this not means being immune to influence of the other Unmade. Another piece giving this reinforcing this theory is particular relation of Thrill, Dalinar and Kaladin. Kaladin might not feel the same Thrill as other men do but still, have similar exultation. Stormlight drives him to action, grants immense focus and endurance, in the same way, as Thrill affects Dalinar. I suspect Windrunners share this characteristic, they receive purified version of the Thrill devoid of bloodlust. While this feeling is empowered by Stormlight/Honor, Kaladin felt this before bonding Sylphrena, thus this seems more like a natural affinity. Conversely, Dalinar is super susceptible to this effect, to him violence is intoxicating and addicting, he revels in conquest. Perhaps this is the reason why Bondsmiths bear no Blades, as a reminder of their Vice. Apparently, this correlation encompasses each pair of Radiant Orders and Heralds, one's Virtue becomes Vice of the other. If proven true, this theory could provide an answer to most persisting questions, the madness of Heralds, a reason for Recreance and Cataclysm of Ashyn. Let me know what you think.
  15. In Oathbringer Dalinar and Shallan combine powers to create the 3D map and she is able to "paint" a wall with Stormlight to show everyone what the Kholinar looks like presently from the Stormfather's perspective. Is this a perk of being a bondsmith or will other radiant order be capable of combining their powers? Could a bondsmith Connect 2 or more radiants of other orders? Wheel of Time Spoilers: It would open up a world of possibilities, but I'm not sure it works without a bondsmith. It would be really fun either way. We've seen a decent amount of radiants hanging around each other and have not seen much evidence of combos. The only possible example I can think of is in WoK and WoR where Shallan enters the cognitive realm physically. Once to prove a point to Jasnah and the other time to escape assassins on the ship. Both times she is near Jasnah. I'm not considering the OB trip because that was the Oathgate and Sja-Anat's doing. In OB Jasnah says "You can't bring yourself into the realm, as I once assumed you could, but there are things there that can feast upon your mind". Ch. 120. But, Shallan went into it Shadesmar enough that she nearly choked to death on beads. I was thinking she was able to more fully go into Shadesmar those two times because of her proximity to an Elsecaller who are the best at transportation to Shadesmar. Is the idea that she didn't go fully into Shadesmar? She gets back fully to the physical realm rather easily unlike Jasnah. Except Jasnah got back along with Shallan really easily in WoK without a perpendicularity. Maybe neither of them was in the cognitive realm fully? They can't astral project according to this WoB, so it's not their cognitive aspect in Shadesmar while their bodies are in Jasnah's aclove spacing out. Also, in WoR Ch. 7 Pattern says "Now. See." right before the transition, not now go which could imply Shallan's not in the cognitive realm completely. Spent more time disproving this as an example of my main topic than on the main topic . Can anyone think of other examples of radiants combining powers?
  16. Why did the Knights Radiant let Szeth in? We NEED to see the conversation that had to of took place about Szeth joining the team in the next book. It drove me a little crazy that this was left out of Oathbringer, but I could understand way it might of been cut. The book was pretty long already and I wouldn't be happy with a rushed out version. It also probably did flow naturally with the ending. I'm curious about how all the main characters rationalized allowing szeth to join. I can kind of get way Dalinar might let him in, but Jasnah and Kaladin!? Szeth killed a member of bridge 4 which would be irredeemable for Kaladin and Jasnah being slow to trust others would be an understatement. Also Szeth killed her father which she spent so much effort trying to prevent. What theories does anyone have on how the group aloud Szeth in? I'm sure that Sanderson will address this in the next book.
  17. I made this for a school assignment The Plight of the Radiants Saving a land that is not theirs; Protecting from it’s rightful heirs; Is it we who are the just in this endeavor; Can we truly protect this world forever; Honor tells us we must fight; Our position now makes us right; For who can blame a child for his father’s acts; Does he tell us this so we do not forsake our pacts; We destroyed the world that was ours; Will we not repeat to do the same with our powers; Will we ever be granted to pay back what owe; For who is the fiend, us or our foe;
  18. Do we know for certain which level of Radiant Dalinar is by the end of Oathbringer? Ever since I read it, I've been under the impression that he's currently of the third ideal (assuming that he didn't skip straight to the fifth with his 'I am Unity' proclamation), but someone on the Stormlight Archive Facebook group recently claimed that there was a Word of Brandon in which he said that in fact Dalinar is only a level two by the end of Oathbringer, but the WoB in question was only a paraphrase. Is anyone who knows the WoBs better than me able to clarify this?
  19. Ok, first of all I'm really sorry if this has been asked before. But I guess more cosmere aware fans can enlighten me Did Radiants used to worship the three shards? Or else why are they 3 depicted in "the" room in Urithuru? Do we know why Odium is represented like he is? Does the pagan thaylen believe in Passions have to do with Odium-Passion? I'm seriously believing it's something that comes from a time when Odium was the human's God... Thanks to anyone that takes some time to help me through this
  20. My cousin and I were wondering what our odds were in becoming Radiants if we magically teleported to Roshar. That got me to wondering how many Radiants there were at its peak, which is presumably right before the Recreance. During Dalinar's Recreance vision, we see (I think 300) Radiants give up their Shards. Also the were only some of the Radiants from the Stonewards and Windrunners. Meaning there's still the rest of those 2 Orders and the other 8 Orders. Also Jasnah told Shallan at the beginning of WoR that there much more Radiants that didn't have Shards. So how many Radiants were there during the height of its peak?
  21. There's a question to be asked: Why Nalan hunts Surgebinders? Or rather: Why does he believe that Surgebinders may cause Desolation? Let's get a timeline. I'll be puting quotes in spoiler tags. There were no Desolations before humans were on Roshar. At first, Heralds were the only Surgebinders. At one point, spren figured out what Honor did and started bonding humans which resulted in Surgebinders. Heralds became patrons of the Orders, at the same time imposing organisation on them. We know that between Desolations Radiants fighted with some monsters (Dalinar's vision with Midnight Essence). We know that Heralds are sent back to Roshar before Desolation. We know that if they stay too long after Desolation ended, another one will start. Aharietam and Recreance: The Last Desolation was 4500 years ago. There is a connection between Heralds tortured and Desolation. Kalak seems to believe that if Odium cannot torture them to break them, he can't cause a Desolation. After Heralds walked away from Oathpact, Knights Radiant did not leave their posts. Steel stores physical speed. When Recreance happened, one of the soldiers in Feverstone Keep mentioned that Radiants should be fighting devils on the front line. So even after Last Desolation monsters showed up. After Recreance there were probably no Surgebinders (or next to none, since spren turned away from humans). Honor was Shattered after Recreance (or maybe Tanavast survived Shattering long enough. It is nor clear or known.) since it is in one of the Dalinar's visions Modern times: Taravangian believes that Desolation happens when Heralds break under torture and that spren came back because it was to happen. Stormfather forbidden spren (or maybe only honorspren) bonding with humans in fear of Recreance happening again. He has to accept Words, though. Stormfather sent Dalinar visions as demanded by Tanavast. These visions request Dalinar to refind Knights Radiant Spren started bonding humans at least ten years ago (Shallan's childhood) Nalan hunts Surgebinders down because he believes that Surgebinding may cause Desolation. Voidspren started showing up en masse after "Taln" returned to Roshar. But Venli is suspected to bear stormform earlier. True Desolation seems to be triggered by chain reaction: stormspren start hijacking Listeners -> large number of stormform Parshendi exist -> Voidbringers summon Everstorm -> Everstorm circles Roshar carrying more voidspren, triggering more Voidbringers out of formless Parshmen But Radiants existed for a long time after the Last Desolation, until Recreance. When Heralds abandoned Oathpact Jezrien said "There is a chance we might end the cycle of Desolations." But that wasn't their intention, they wanted to get free of the torture. They seem to consider End of Desolations as a side effect, not the primary goal. They know that Odium is somehow bound by their torture and they're afraid he will find a way around them not returning to the Damnation. True Desolation seems to be different to the regular Desolations, but we do not know why. The question is, why would Nalan hunt Surgebinders since they existed before without triggering Desolation? Why is the True Desolation different from the previous Desolation? How is it different? What is the exact connection between Herald's torture and breaking under it, their return, release of voidspren and start of Desolation? Do spren sense Herald's coming near to point of breaking? Discuss, provide more quotes and WoBs you find relevant.
  22. The scene where Kaladin deflects the storm, as well as Dalinar opening a perpendicularity, are radiants gaining access to heraldic abilities?
  23. I suspect that when Radiants who have reached a certain degree of progress in the Nahel bond die, they go to Braize. Several points of evidence have led me to to suspect this: The Nahel bond was not designed by Honor, but was an attempt by the spren to imitate what Honor had given to the Heralds. In WoR chapter 87, Syl clarifies to Kaladin that the Nahel bond was specifically based on the Honorblades. The Prelude to the Stormlight Archive tells us that one of the conditions of the Oathpact is that the Heralds would return to Braize to be tortured if they died, and were expected to return willingly if they did not die during a Desolation. To abandon the Oathpact, they had to leave their Honorblades behind, willingly and intentionally giving them up. They did so by slamming the Blades into the stone ground. This suggests that the Honorblades was the basis of their connection to the Oathpact, and thereby to Braize. The coded passage from the Diagram found in the WoR Chapter 84 epigraph references "the secret that broke the Knights Radiant". Apparently there is such a secret, and obviously it would need to be a very significant one. When Dalinar observes the Recreance in his vision (WoK Chapter 52), he sees the Radiants slam their Blades into the stone ground, as the Heralds did, and as Dalinar does when he relinquishes Oathbringer to Sadeas. This is clearly how the Bond is broken, though why they needed to leave the Plate behind as well is unclear, mostly because we know so little about what Shardplate actually is and whether it has any connection at all to the Heralds (whom so far have never been shown wearing Plate of any kind). Nale believes, following Ishar, that when the proto-Radiants "naturally discover the greater power of the Oaths"..."without Honor to regulate this, there is a small chance that what comes next will allow the Voidbringers to again make the jump between worlds." (Edgedancer, Chapter 9) This suggests that the Radiants are connected in some way we do not yet understand to Braize, and could potentially (though by no means certainly) bring a Desolation the same way the Heralds do. Whether Ishar is correct in this belief or not is not yet known to us. To bring these points together, the Nahel bond is based on the Honorblades, and severed by the same means that the Heralds severed their ties to the Oathpact. Is it possible, then, that by copying the Honorblades, the Nahel spren inadvertently recreated the not-so-desirable aspect of the Honorblades that connects the Heralds to Braize? If so, it is possible that when Radiants die, their soul(?)/Cognitive shadow/non-material aspect goes to Braize, as the Heralds do, instead of going through the usual afterlife? This would be an extremely serious side-effect for the Nahel bond to have, and it's hard to imagine anyone, least of all the Radiants who were all broken people in some way, stoically accepting more-or-less-eternal torment after their death. As others have theorized, we already have reason to believe that the afterlife is messed up in some way on Roshar, but if the Radiants suddenly found out that they were more or less guaranteed to go to Damnation, that would go a long way toward explaining the Recreance.
  24. Do we have an official list for what ideal each of the Knights Radiant have sworn? Also, do different powers come with each ideal sworn? I remember that Jasnah implies to Shallan that she has Plate, meanwhile Shallan does not.
  25. Something interesting that I noticed while read Arcanum, and if this has been talked about already I apologize. In the "Knight Radiant" symbol or the "Double Eye" for the Rosharan system it has multiple swords and dead down the middle is unmistakably Sunraiser, Elhokar's shardblade. We know from pictures and descriptions that it also has all of the basic A.K.A. Radiant glyphs etched onto it. We know this wasn't done later because it's a storming shardblade. So I raise the question, who's blade was it? My first thought was Melishi, the last Bondsmith, but I then remembered that Bondsmiths don't get shardblades (Assuming Dalinar isn't weird) and if it has enough importance to be the symbol for the Radiants and Roshar as whole, why is it so significant and who's blade is it????? Just throwing something out there, but maybe it was made by Honor. Thoughts? Edit: This is what I'm rambling about